Notices tagged with cc, page 53
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mlinksva (mlinksva)'s status on Monday, 27-Aug-2012 21:38:22 EDT 
mlinksva
@laurelrusswurm a) I just want to rename them b) even if I did want to kill them, sometimes product line evolution req killing trailing edge -
DJ Dougernaut (douglasawh)'s status on Monday, 27-Aug-2012 21:36:23 EDT 
DJ Dougernaut
I was mostly responding to the "perfection" comment. I'm not sure some sort of "headstart" provision (1-5 years or something) wouldn't be good, but I mostly don't disagree with you on the entirely theoretical point of abolition -
mlinksva (mlinksva)'s status on Monday, 27-Aug-2012 21:34:15 EDT
mlinksva
@laurelrusswurm …many fundamentals of the info policy debate need to be flipped, through education/argument/research&such ur1.ca/955ww -
mlinksva (mlinksva)'s status on Monday, 27-Aug-2012 21:31:47 EDT
mlinksva
@laurelrusswurm I agree that info/education 1st, and that is mostly independent of licenses, which are very poor educational vehicles... -
mlinksva (mlinksva)'s status on Monday, 27-Aug-2012 21:30:39 EDT
mlinksva
@douglasawh I also understand his reasoning on this one and he is WRONG. But he may not be on the INTERNET. :-) -
laurelrusswurm (laurelrusswurm)'s status on Monday, 27-Aug-2012 21:30:34 EDT 
laurelrusswurm
@mlinksva But removing NC/ND would be like shooting !cc in the foot. -
laurelrusswurm (laurelrusswurm)'s status on Monday, 27-Aug-2012 21:28:28 EDT
laurelrusswurm
@mlinksva Just because perfection is impossible is no reason not to strive for it. Sure, improve workarounds, but info/education s/b 1st -
lxoliva (lxoliva)'s status on Monday, 27-Aug-2012 21:22:39 EDT 
lxoliva
@douglasawh they are in reverse. what we want is progress ;-) -
DJ Dougernaut (douglasawh)'s status on Monday, 27-Aug-2012 21:16:56 EDT
DJ Dougernaut
@rms has narrow conceptions about a few things as far as I'm concerned, but I also understand his reasoning -
mlinksva (mlinksva)'s status on Monday, 27-Aug-2012 21:14:49 EDT
mlinksva
@laurelrusswurm nothing will produce perfect freedom, but abolition would be a huge improvement AND the current workarounds can be improved. -
lxoliva (lxoliva)'s status on Monday, 27-Aug-2012 21:14:26 EDT
lxoliva
@zotz freelcommons anyone? :-) -
mlinksva (mlinksva)'s status on Monday, 27-Aug-2012 21:13:59 EDT
mlinksva
@douglasawh …2 copyleft is extremely weak protection. effective pro-sharing/disclosure/auditing regulation orthogonal to copyright. -
lxoliva (lxoliva)'s status on Monday, 27-Aug-2012 21:13:37 EDT
lxoliva
@arnebab must not forget the end goal either, and not start a negotiation asking for less than what you want -
lxoliva (lxoliva)'s status on Monday, 27-Aug-2012 21:12:23 EDT
lxoliva
♻ @zotz: I think mixing the Free and non-Free under one banner harms CC and betrays the idea of a creative *commons* -
mlinksva (mlinksva)'s status on Monday, 27-Aug-2012 21:12:14 EDT
mlinksva
@douglasawh if he said that, he has too narrow a conception of "protect", in two ways. 1 abolition would be a huge blow to the competition… -
lxoliva (lxoliva)'s status on Monday, 27-Aug-2012 21:04:00 EDT
lxoliva
@arnebab nobody's arguing they should retroactively cease to exist. they just don't belong in a commons -
DJ Dougernaut (douglasawh)'s status on Monday, 27-Aug-2012 21:01:39 EDT
DJ Dougernaut
the people doing treaties are too busy going the wrong direction. Once we get them in neutral we can try going in reverse, but we're probably 20 years from that. Not to clump everybody together, but my parents generation needs to start dying off for progress. -
DJ Dougernaut (douglasawh)'s status on Monday, 27-Aug-2012 20:43:32 EDT
DJ Dougernaut
our interview with @methoddan was similarly long, but we lost some of the "tape" so not as long! http://www.musicmanumit.com/2010/08/music-manumit-podcast-down-rathole.html -
zotz (zotz)'s status on Monday, 27-Aug-2012 20:42:41 EDT 
zotz
Whichever comes first, but it would be good to change them just from the pov of inadvertent lock down of works from creators ignorant of © -
DJ Dougernaut (douglasawh)'s status on Monday, 27-Aug-2012 20:41:57 EDT
DJ Dougernaut
I honestly don't know when his last release was and if it was post-CC. Tom and I interviewed him long ago...before Tom and I had the passing down for interviews...so it is super-long: http://www.musicmanumit.com/2010/08/music-manumit-podcast-bono-fied-100821.html
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