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laurelrusswurm (laurelrusswurm)'s status on Monday, 27-Aug-2012 12:32:10 EDT 
laurelrusswurm
TERRIBLE writeup on the Students for Free Culture blog, "Stop the Inclusion of Proprietary Licensess in !CC 4.0" http://ur1.ca/a1fyu -
cwebber (cwebber)'s status on Monday, 27-Aug-2012 12:41:58 EDT 
cwebber
Why terrible? -
robmyers (robmyers)'s status on Monday, 27-Aug-2012 12:42:31 EDT 
robmyers
@laurelrusswurm How so? -
csolisr (csolisr)'s status on Monday, 27-Aug-2012 12:46:51 EDT 
csolisr
@laurelrusswurm s/TERRIBLE/TERRIFIC #regularexpressions -
laurelrusswurm (laurelrusswurm)'s status on Monday, 27-Aug-2012 12:48:17 EDT
laurelrusswurm
By removing ND and NC you remove creator choice. It might work if 90% of creative works were released under !CC but we're nowhere near that -
laurelrusswurm (laurelrusswurm)'s status on Monday, 27-Aug-2012 12:49:56 EDT
laurelrusswurm
@cwebber the reason !CC has been effective is that creators can choose. How does removing creator choice help? -
cwebber (cwebber)'s status on Monday, 27-Aug-2012 12:52:45 EDT
cwebber
@laurelrusswurm removing the sampling licenses helped. Besides, what about the suggestions to rename NC and ND to something not CC? -
laurelrusswurm (laurelrusswurm)'s status on Monday, 27-Aug-2012 13:02:17 EDT
laurelrusswurm
@cwebber The point is to get creators on board. If NC and ND aren't !CC, the creators who brave them are unlikely to go further #notCC -
kuro (kuro)'s status on Monday, 27-Aug-2012 13:21:56 EDT 
kuro
@laurelrusswurm Not a single band? Points to the core problem: lawyers! Their concepts are useful for earning them money. Is !CC just that? -
kuro (kuro)'s status on Monday, 27-Aug-2012 13:31:09 EDT
kuro
I 've been observing that ALL the !CC lincences aren't well protected against abuse. Even wikipedia. Always forced 2 pay lawyers to stop it. -
laurelrusswurm (laurelrusswurm)'s status on Monday, 27-Aug-2012 13:32:42 EDT
laurelrusswurm
@kuro He eventually named what I think was a very old Canadian band (couldn't find anything abt them online) -
kxra (kxra)'s status on Monday, 27-Aug-2012 13:33:01 EDT 
kxra
@laurelrusswurm You're making the "gateway drug" argument and !CC itself has no statistics to support that. -
kxra (kxra)'s status on Monday, 27-Aug-2012 13:44:51 EDT
kxra
@laurelrusswurm Withdrawing support for something is not force, it's a statement. Anyone can fork a license. -
laurelrusswurm (laurelrusswurm)'s status on Monday, 27-Aug-2012 13:59:06 EDT
laurelrusswurm
@dpic No, anyone cannot fork a license. Though !cc is a fabulous success story most of the world has no idea. #explains bad !copyright law -
laurelrusswurm (laurelrusswurm)'s status on Monday, 27-Aug-2012 14:00:30 EDT
laurelrusswurm
@dpic you can only fork a license if you know there is such a thing. When everyone you know uses !Copyright All Rights Reserved why bother? -
laurelrusswurm (laurelrusswurm)'s status on Monday, 27-Aug-2012 14:11:28 EDT
laurelrusswurm
@greg by non commercial do you mean non-copyright-infringing filesharing? -
lxoliva (lxoliva)'s status on Monday, 27-Aug-2012 15:08:18 EDT 
lxoliva
@laurelrusswurm should others have a say on what *I* can do with *my* computer, my disk, my printer, my paper, my ink? no, thanks -
laurelrusswurm (laurelrusswurm)'s status on Monday, 27-Aug-2012 15:30:29 EDT
laurelrusswurm
@lxoliva I see... your freedom is more important than their freedom. Personally I prefer a future where everyone's freedom is respected. -
laurelrusswurm (laurelrusswurm)'s status on Monday, 27-Aug-2012 15:32:50 EDT
laurelrusswurm
@lxoliva There is more chance of achieving that if people are allowed to learn and make their own choices. -
lxoliva (lxoliva)'s status on Monday, 27-Aug-2012 15:58:29 EDT
lxoliva
@laurelrusswurm you're (again) confusing freedom and power. I don't want to be subjugated by others' power -
lxoliva (lxoliva)'s status on Monday, 27-Aug-2012 15:59:10 EDT
lxoliva
@laurelrusswurm that sounds like a reason to exclude licenses that deny choices -
lxoliva (lxoliva)'s status on Monday, 27-Aug-2012 16:04:37 EDT
lxoliva
@laurelrusswurm it's not my *freedom* to decide what you can store on your hard drive; if a law entitles me to it, it's my *power* over you -
laurelrusswurm (laurelrusswurm)'s status on Monday, 27-Aug-2012 16:13:01 EDT
laurelrusswurm
@lxoliva excluding licenses that you deem unfree denies others the right to make their own choices. -
kxra (kxra)'s status on Monday, 27-Aug-2012 16:58:47 EDT
kxra
@laurelrusswurm Choosing how to use unjust power granted by copyright law is not a matter of freedom. It's choosing how to subjugate people. -
kxra (kxra)'s status on Monday, 27-Aug-2012 17:01:05 EDT
kxra
err, that should've been @snapl sorry @bobjonkman -
laurelrusswurm (laurelrusswurm)'s status on Monday, 27-Aug-2012 17:20:51 EDT
laurelrusswurm
@dpic Here unjust !copyright law is the default with © "all rights reserved" subjugation enacted by my government regardless of my wishes. -
arnebab (arnebab)'s status on Monday, 27-Aug-2012 17:35:42 EDT 
arnebab
@dpic what’s your foundation to the naming of copyright as “unjust”? — I’m interested in yours. Mine: http://ur1.ca/9xsyz - german -
lxoliva (lxoliva)'s status on Monday, 27-Aug-2012 17:50:18 EDT
lxoliva
@laurelrusswurm like they couldn't come up with the license wording on their own? you mean CC is *forced* to work for them? -
arnebab (arnebab)'s status on Monday, 27-Aug-2012 17:53:54 EDT
arnebab
@lxoliva why can’t they just keep offering licenses for content I am allowed to send to my friends, even though not change? -
arnebab (arnebab)'s status on Monday, 27-Aug-2012 17:54:17 EDT
arnebab
@lxoliva *I* don’t like stuff I cannot change, but I prefer stuff I can pass on to stuff I cannot. -
lxoliva (lxoliva)'s status on Monday, 27-Aug-2012 17:58:40 EDT
lxoliva
@arnebab of course they can! I just think they shouldn't, for such works are not in the commons, thus betraying the goal -
lxoliva (lxoliva)'s status on Monday, 27-Aug-2012 17:59:54 EDT
lxoliva
@arnebab maybe offer such ND licenses from Creative Museum or so; can transition to commons when old enough ;-) -
arnebab (arnebab)'s status on Monday, 27-Aug-2012 18:07:28 EDT
arnebab
@lxoliva I think the NC licenses are pretty important. IIRC Steve Losh started with BY-NC-ND and now simply uses BY. -
laurelrusswurm (laurelrusswurm)'s status on Monday, 27-Aug-2012 18:12:26 EDT
laurelrusswurm
@arnebab People who have thought about copyright reform for years are annoyed the rest of the world has not caught up; they want change NOW. -
zotz (zotz)'s status on Monday, 27-Aug-2012 19:20:52 EDT 
zotz
because of the confusion for one. and the wasted time. and the extra difficulty of search. and more. -
zotz (zotz)'s status on Monday, 27-Aug-2012 19:26:14 EDT
zotz
and? they are happy to deny the world their rightful Freedom. plus, there are other non-Free licenses and the fracture does no harm. -
zotz (zotz)'s status on Monday, 27-Aug-2012 19:26:51 EDT
zotz
i say the fracture does no harm as the Free and the non-Free CC licenses are not a part of the same commons in the first place. -
zotz (zotz)'s status on Monday, 27-Aug-2012 19:32:07 EDT
zotz
the other side was quite happy to force copyright on all works, marked or not. -
zotz (zotz)'s status on Monday, 27-Aug-2012 19:33:12 EDT
zotz
we do that now in countries where slavery is illegal. shall we go back and start respecting peoples freedom to become slaves and to own them -
arnebab (arnebab)'s status on Monday, 27-Aug-2012 19:34:29 EDT
arnebab
@zotz Do you really lose time? For me it’s very nice to see a CC footer: I see directly which rights I have. Much better than before… -
DJ Dougernaut (douglasawh)'s status on Monday, 27-Aug-2012 20:01:05 EDT 
DJ Dougernaut
@kuro what on earth are you talking about? @professorkliq @davidrovics and others don't need lawyers to deal with CC. That's the whole point of CC. -
zotz (zotz)'s status on Monday, 27-Aug-2012 20:02:22 EDT
zotz
or at a *minimum* to create a FreeCC brand that the Freedom folks can promote without confusion. been asked for for years. -
laurelrusswurm (laurelrusswurm)'s status on Monday, 27-Aug-2012 20:09:42 EDT
laurelrusswurm
@zotz The freedom is already denied. -
laurelrusswurm (laurelrusswurm)'s status on Monday, 27-Aug-2012 20:12:11 EDT
laurelrusswurm
@zotz It would do extraordinary harm because the rest of the world is just beginning to hear about Creative Commons. -
laurelrusswurm (laurelrusswurm)'s status on Monday, 27-Aug-2012 20:14:27 EDT
laurelrusswurm
@zotz that is the reality NOW. Creators considering switching from © "all rights reserved" are more likely to with NC and/or ND. -
zotz (zotz)'s status on Monday, 27-Aug-2012 20:21:05 EDT
zotz
way too much time. sign up for kompoz, go about your daily business as if you were only interested in Free works, see how much extra effort -
zotz (zotz)'s status on Monday, 27-Aug-2012 20:23:46 EDT
zotz
fine but perhaps because they can still get the good CC buzz/vibes while not making the commitment to Freedom. separate the brands at least. -
zotz (zotz)'s status on Monday, 27-Aug-2012 20:25:04 EDT
zotz
they would still hear about CC. and perhaps the Free software folks would feel better promoting the brand too. extra push. -
laurelrusswurm (laurelrusswurm)'s status on Monday, 27-Aug-2012 20:30:53 EDT
laurelrusswurm
@zotz And I bet @rms or somebody would quibble with "free software (popularly marketed as “open source software”)" http://ur1.ca/a1fyu -
lxoliva (lxoliva)'s status on Monday, 27-Aug-2012 21:04:00 EDT
lxoliva
@arnebab nobody's arguing they should retroactively cease to exist. they just don't belong in a commons -
lxoliva (lxoliva)'s status on Monday, 27-Aug-2012 21:14:26 EDT
lxoliva
@zotz freelcommons anyone? :-) -
dper (dper)'s status on Monday, 27-Aug-2012 21:47:21 EDT 
dper
@laurelrusswurm One problem with having so many CC licenses is that they make searching tedious. Often we need BY or BY-SA or PD. -
dper (dper)'s status on Monday, 27-Aug-2012 21:48:22 EDT
dper
@laurelrusswurm And unless we're using the CreativeCommons search engine, we have no good way to get the appropriate search filter. :-( -
laurelrusswurm (laurelrusswurm)'s status on Monday, 27-Aug-2012 21:51:59 EDT
laurelrusswurm
@dper searching where? -
laurelrusswurm (laurelrusswurm)'s status on Monday, 27-Aug-2012 21:57:05 EDT
laurelrusswurm
@dper there are a mere SIX !cc licenses but *12* Creative Commons Search Tabs http://search.creativecommons.org/ :P -
dper (dper)'s status on Monday, 27-Aug-2012 21:59:02 EDT
dper
@laurelrusswurm Anywhere. Flickr, Wikimedia Commons, Google, wherever. Append "Creative Commons" and get a mix of CC results, some useless. -
dper (dper)'s status on Monday, 27-Aug-2012 22:02:23 EDT
dper
@laurelrusswurm Yes. I particularly like the check boxes: (1) use for commercial purposes and (2) modify, adapt, or build upon. -
DJ Dougernaut (douglasawh)'s status on Monday, 27-Aug-2012 22:12:47 EDT
DJ Dougernaut
@dper I don't know what you are looking for specifically, but Jamendo, FMA, flickr and others have searches by license. -
dper (dper)'s status on Monday, 27-Aug-2012 22:19:19 EDT
dper
@douglasawh I'm not looking for anything. I'm saying one complaint about NC and ND is that for naive search engines, they clutter results. -
DJ Dougernaut (douglasawh)'s status on Monday, 27-Aug-2012 22:24:48 EDT
DJ Dougernaut
@dper I dont think CC should be making policy decisions based on websites that don't know how to build an appropriate metadata system. -
dper (dper)'s status on Monday, 27-Aug-2012 22:31:41 EDT
dper
@douglasawh Sok with me. Just wanted to highlight a problem many of us often have with NC and ND. Blame it on whoever you like. :-) -
laurelrusswurm (laurelrusswurm)'s status on Monday, 27-Aug-2012 22:52:59 EDT
laurelrusswurm
@dper I remain disappointed google is the only serach engine with licensed-for-reuse image search -
mlinksva (mlinksva)'s status on Monday, 27-Aug-2012 23:18:17 EDT 
mlinksva
@laurelrusswurm not me. Good change will take a very long time. NC/ND nice example of wanting little bit NOW to detriment of long term. -
mlinksva (mlinksva)'s status on Monday, 27-Aug-2012 23:21:23 EDT
mlinksva
@csolisr by far the most useful dent in these giant threads. Congratulations! :-) -
mlinksva (mlinksva)'s status on Monday, 27-Aug-2012 23:30:27 EDT
mlinksva
@dper not at Wikimedia Commons; it excludes nonfree. Also if you search via search.creativecommons.org free checkboxes preselected. -
arnebab (arnebab)'s status on Tuesday, 28-Aug-2012 01:47:22 EDT
arnebab
@lxoliva I think they are already making a nice distinction there by saying “they are the commons, but not free culture”. -
arnebab (arnebab)'s status on Tuesday, 28-Aug-2012 01:48:16 EDT
arnebab
@lxoliva going further would likely divide our community quite badly and keep people away who start with NC and leave it out later -
arnebab (arnebab)'s status on Tuesday, 28-Aug-2012 01:49:26 EDT
arnebab
@zotz The main effort for me is finding works with cc licenses at all. After that, most sites have nice selectors. -
arnebab (arnebab)'s status on Tuesday, 28-Aug-2012 01:50:03 EDT
arnebab
@zotz for me CC is a way for the artist to say “you may do this” and for the user to say “I only want to see what I can use”. -
lxoliva (lxoliva)'s status on Tuesday, 28-Aug-2012 03:07:17 EDT
lxoliva
@arnebab what kind of commons is it when the cow can't turn the grass into milk, or the milk can't be sold? -
zotz (zotz)'s status on Tuesday, 28-Aug-2012 08:15:27 EDT
zotz
kompoz does too but the filter is only applied during search, it needs to be applied during site use, I don't want to encounter non-Free -
zotz (zotz)'s status on Tuesday, 28-Aug-2012 08:17:29 EDT
zotz
look at the staff picks on the front page. can't tell which are Free. for that you must click on each one then scroll down & look. wastetime -
zotz (zotz)'s status on Tuesday, 28-Aug-2012 08:18:36 EDT
zotz
and for the deriving artist. but it needs to be a site filter, not a search filter. -
zotz (zotz)'s status on Tuesday, 28-Aug-2012 08:19:52 EDT
zotz
also, write ups often just say the movie is available under a cc license and then give a link. you have to follow the link to see. wastetime -
arnebab (arnebab)'s status on Tuesday, 28-Aug-2012 08:26:45 EDT
arnebab
full ack. I’d love to have a Firefox-Extension which grays out all sites which do not have a free license. -
arnebab (arnebab)'s status on Tuesday, 28-Aug-2012 08:27:48 EDT
arnebab
A standard to define the license (I assume that exists), which gets used by FF. Maybe even for links (check target, unfree → Gray) -
arnebab (arnebab)'s status on Tuesday, 28-Aug-2012 08:28:04 EDT
arnebab
something like libreJS, but for the content. -
zotz (zotz)'s status on Tuesday, 28-Aug-2012 08:30:00 EDT
zotz
good but still an issue as many sites with Free licenses link to works that are not Free. -
zotz (zotz)'s status on Tuesday, 28-Aug-2012 08:32:32 EDT
zotz
better... -
arnebab (arnebab)'s status on Tuesday, 28-Aug-2012 08:32:45 EDT
arnebab
or show a green ❤ or golden ★ behind every link which goes to a free licensed page - similar to what Sone in !Freenet does. !cc -
zotz (zotz)'s status on Tuesday, 28-Aug-2012 08:34:22 EDT
zotz
would be nice to have an option like this. wonder how much it would slow down page rendering? -
arnebab (arnebab)'s status on Tuesday, 28-Aug-2012 08:34:55 EDT
arnebab
linking to other sites cannot be prevented without limiting free speech → that’s a step I am not willing to take. -
arnebab (arnebab)'s status on Tuesday, 28-Aug-2012 08:35:35 EDT
arnebab
but having my browser notify me that the link would bring me to an unfree page if I clicked it would be nice. -
arnebab (arnebab)'s status on Tuesday, 28-Aug-2012 08:37:34 EDT
arnebab
I think it would not slow down the rendering, since the ❤ or ★ can simply be added after rendering - if need be by Javascript. -
cyberkiller (cyberkiller)'s status on Tuesday, 28-Aug-2012 08:39:31 EDT 
cyberkiller
@arnebab there's a <meta name="copyright"...> tag http://ur1.ca/a1m37 #html -
zotz (zotz)'s status on Tuesday, 28-Aug-2012 08:39:38 EDT
zotz
my comment was more in the direction of your browser plugin idea. not to in any way prevent linking. -
zotz (zotz)'s status on Tuesday, 28-Aug-2012 08:40:29 EDT
zotz
exactly, so you would not waste your time with the looking if you were on a search for Free at the time. -
zotz (zotz)'s status on Tuesday, 28-Aug-2012 08:48:06 EDT
zotz
and they are happy to keep denying it instead of trying to reverse it as best they can. (I do get your argument re baby steps though) -
arnebab (arnebab)'s status on Tuesday, 28-Aug-2012 09:57:55 EDT
arnebab
meta tags are dreadful for that: I can’t just add them from a CMS - or rather disable… (but I’ll remember it for my homepage) -
arnebab (arnebab)'s status on Tuesday, 28-Aug-2012 09:59:45 EDT
arnebab
is there a standard way to mark a website as GPL or CC-by-sa? Which is supported by tools? -
arnebab (arnebab)'s status on Tuesday, 28-Aug-2012 10:05:09 EDT
arnebab
ah, yes, the standard way is http://www.w3.org/wiki/HTML/Elements/link <head>…<link rel="license" href="/gpl.txt">…</head> -
arnebab (arnebab)'s status on Tuesday, 28-Aug-2012 10:06:30 EDT
arnebab
so now we only need tools which parse the license link to be able to see if content is free. Better would be using the HTML5 <link title=…> -
arnebab (arnebab)'s status on Tuesday, 28-Aug-2012 10:09:38 EDT
arnebab
wish: tool sees <head>…<link rel="license" title="cc by-sa" href="…by-sa…">…</head> ⇒ marks site as free culture (also gpl and cc by). -
mlinksva (mlinksva)'s status on Tuesday, 28-Aug-2012 11:23:14 EDT
mlinksva
@arnebab getting people to add metadata reliably and accurately...CC has been trying for 10 years. Uphill, tiny part of overall solution. -
arnebab (arnebab)'s status on Tuesday, 28-Aug-2012 11:46:15 EDT
arnebab
I actually think the marking in-browser - and ideally in-search-engine - would be huge: Allowing fans to find it quickly. -
arnebab (arnebab)'s status on Tuesday, 28-Aug-2012 11:46:39 EDT
arnebab
we could crawl the web with yacy and only add free licensed pages to the index. -
mlinksva (mlinksva)'s status on Tuesday, 28-Aug-2012 11:48:43 EDT
mlinksva
@arnebab that's a great mass curation idea. very different from publishers adding metadata. -
arnebab (arnebab)'s status on Tuesday, 28-Aug-2012 11:51:55 EDT
arnebab
@mlinksva for example @zotz would be a fan you only get by marking your content free, so marking content gives a competitive edge -
arnebab (arnebab)'s status on Tuesday, 28-Aug-2012 11:53:17 EDT
arnebab
actually for marking, meta tags are pretty problematic, because you can’t just put them into a blog post. -
arnebab (arnebab)'s status on Tuesday, 28-Aug-2012 11:54:34 EDT
arnebab
and as much as I dislike Facebook: it would be nice if those users had a way to label stuff as CC, too. Without support from FB. -
arnebab (arnebab)'s status on Tuesday, 28-Aug-2012 11:57:32 EDT
arnebab
so parsing meta tags could only be a start. Longterm, the software would have to parse the site to find the license deed (<a rel…) -
kuro (kuro)'s status on Tuesday, 28-Aug-2012 12:00:08 EDT
kuro
@laurelrusswurm I support your criticising of abolishing choice of -nc and -nd in !cc 4.0 licence draft -
arnebab (arnebab)'s status on Tuesday, 28-Aug-2012 12:03:23 EDT
arnebab
and to make that tool universal again, we need that deed style for the GPL, too… -
mlinksva (mlinksva)'s status on Tuesday, 28-Aug-2012 12:39:47 EDT
mlinksva
@arnebab deed style irrelevant, just need stable identifier, which is http://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-3.0.html -
mlinksva (mlinksva)'s status on Tuesday, 28-Aug-2012 12:43:33 EDT
mlinksva
@arnebab CC skipped meta tags quickly for that reason. See links in http://wiki.creativecommons.org/CC_REL for background. -
Terry Hancock (digitante)'s status on Tuesday, 28-Aug-2012 17:17:48 EDT 
Terry Hancock
@laurelrusswurm - I proposed at least condensing NC/ND into a single term - http://fsmsh.com/3461 - from Nov. 2010. -
zotz (zotz)'s status on Tuesday, 28-Aug-2012 18:00:34 EDT
zotz
not just a fan, a promoter perhaps, and a supporter perhaps as well. and possibly a collaborator or a source for material as well. #BYSA -
arnebab (arnebab)'s status on Tuesday, 28-Aug-2012 18:34:19 EDT
arnebab
@zotz similar to what I am for the folks from Battle for Wesnoth ( wesnoth.org ). I use their GPL images in a GPL RPG ( 1w6.org ) -
laurelrusswurm (laurelrusswurm)'s status on Tuesday, 28-Aug-2012 18:49:14 EDT
laurelrusswurm
Thank you @kuro :) -
zotz (zotz)'s status on Tuesday, 28-Aug-2012 18:50:03 EDT
zotz
Bingo. some of my stuff: http://ur1.ca/6oy47 http://ur1.ca/a1sq5 http://ur1.ca/a1sq6 -
laurelrusswurm (laurelrusswurm)'s status on Tuesday, 28-Aug-2012 18:55:32 EDT
laurelrusswurm
@digitante I don't think that will help; separating and defining the various restrictions is actually educational for !cc noobs :) -
arnebab (arnebab)'s status on Tuesday, 28-Aug-2012 18:56:05 EDT
arnebab
@zotz nice! -
zotz (zotz)'s status on Tuesday, 28-Aug-2012 19:08:53 EDT
zotz
did you see: http://ur1.ca/a1scs yet? -
Terry Hancock (digitante)'s status on Tuesday, 28-Aug-2012 19:33:18 EDT
Terry Hancock
@laurelrusswurm Not if the restrictions are indistinct, ineffective, or redundant -- which is what I argued - http://is.gd/6Dg0hX -
Terry Hancock (digitante)'s status on Tuesday, 28-Aug-2012 19:34:48 EDT
Terry Hancock
@laurelrusswurm Even more pernicious for !CC "noobs" is the false idea that the "SA" in "By-SA" and the "SA" in "By-NC-SA" are the same -
laurelrusswurm (laurelrusswurm)'s status on Tuesday, 28-Aug-2012 20:05:23 EDT
laurelrusswurm
@digitante I have never before read of SA confusion of SA. Still, compared to copyright law, !cc licenses are crystal clear. -
laurelrusswurm (laurelrusswurm)'s status on Tuesday, 28-Aug-2012 20:07:43 EDT
laurelrusswurm
@digitante what is difficult about !cc licenses to the noob is the idea that there can be anything besides copyright. New ideas take time. -
Terry Hancock (digitante)'s status on Tuesday, 28-Aug-2012 20:11:20 EDT
Terry Hancock
@laurelrusswurm NC+SA has a completely different (and non-intuitive) effect compared to SA by itself. -
laurelrusswurm (laurelrusswurm)'s status on Tuesday, 28-Aug-2012 20:16:56 EDT
laurelrusswurm
@digitante ... my point is that !cc is non-intuitive after hundreds of years of copyright propaganda. Most believe copyright is a RIGHT. -
Terry Hancock (digitante)'s status on Tuesday, 28-Aug-2012 20:17:15 EDT
Terry Hancock
@laurelrusswurm NC+SA block exactly one use case of NC which is conversion to By-NC-ND (i.e. the derivative can block derivatives) -
Terry Hancock (digitante)'s status on Tuesday, 28-Aug-2012 20:17:47 EDT
Terry Hancock
@digitante And it's highly unlikely that anyone using NC actually intends that -- that should be folded into NC. -
laurelrusswurm (laurelrusswurm)'s status on Tuesday, 28-Aug-2012 20:29:00 EDT
laurelrusswurm
@digitante Clearly, this is not the way you choose to license your work. But all the !cc licenses are restrictive. Even !CC by -
zotz (zotz)'s status on Tuesday, 28-Aug-2012 20:47:41 EDT
zotz
well, yes and not as many of the words in them have meaning based on copyright law and not on english/whatever natural language you use. -
zotz (zotz)'s status on Tuesday, 28-Aug-2012 20:48:09 EDT
zotz
well, yes and no as many of the words in them have meaning based on copyright law and not on english/whatever natural language you use. -
laurelrusswurm (laurelrusswurm)'s status on Wednesday, 29-Aug-2012 00:37:16 EDT
laurelrusswurm
@kuro That reasonable since that is how !copyright has always worked, with enforcement being up to the rightsholder and !cc is built on © -
laurelrusswurm (laurelrusswurm)'s status on Wednesday, 29-Aug-2012 00:47:21 EDT
laurelrusswurm
@arnebab It is difficult to share free !cc photos (getting indexed to come up in free !cc search) anywhere outside Flickr -
laurelrusswurm (laurelrusswurm)'s status on Wednesday, 29-Aug-2012 01:02:23 EDT
laurelrusswurm
@arnebab I tag everything !cc in my Tumblr photo blog, but nothing seems to help index for external search -
kxra (kxra)'s status on Friday, 21-Sep-2012 13:16:22 EDT
kxra
We should note that @freeculture was making more of a critique of @creativecommons tactics than of their licenses http://www.ur1.ca/aagmn
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