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1. kxra (kxra)'s status on Monday, 27-Aug-2012 13:27:56 EDT kxra

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   • laurelrusswurm
   @laurelrusswurm What if !CC started actually educating instead of relying on those misguided perceptions?
   • laurelrusswurm (laurelrusswurm)'s status on Monday, 27-Aug-2012 13:48:05 EDT laurelrusswurm

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     • kxra
     @dpic educating is the way to go... i thought that was what !cc *did* ... the new license selector thingy w/ free/non free stuff is great
   • zotz (zotz)'s status on Monday, 27-Aug-2012 19:41:07 EDT zotz

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     • laurelrusswurm
     and there are complaints that that is insulting. you cant comfortably mix the Free and the non-Free.
   • zotz (zotz)'s status on Monday, 27-Aug-2012 19:41:51 EDT zotz

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     • laurelrusswurm
     as we see with the GPL vs BSD, MIT, Apache, it is hard enough to mix the copyleft and permissive Free.
   • arnebab (arnebab)'s status on Monday, 27-Aug-2012 19:43:54 EDT arnebab

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     • zotz
     @zotz you can’t mix licenses with *different* terms at all, except if one is a real subset of the other — which is pretty clear with #cc.
   • arnebab (arnebab)'s status on Monday, 27-Aug-2012 19:45:34 EDT arnebab

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     • zotz
     @zotz oh damn, am I really arguing *for* NC? … guess so. To change society, you must remember those who start with the first steps.
   • zotz (zotz)'s status on Monday, 27-Aug-2012 20:14:21 EDT zotz

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     • arnebab
     but you don't have to have the Free and non-Free licenses under the same brand. for one it would avoid these constant discussions.
   • zotz (zotz)'s status on Monday, 27-Aug-2012 20:16:42 EDT zotz

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     • arnebab
     the licenses are mixed brand wise. they are all CC licenses but the Free and the non-Free do not coexist well.
   • lxoliva (lxoliva)'s status on Monday, 27-Aug-2012 21:13:37 EDT lxoliva

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     • arnebab
     @arnebab must not forget the end goal either, and not start a negotiation asking for less than what you want
   • arnebab (arnebab)'s status on Tuesday, 28-Aug-2012 02:49:11 EDT arnebab

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     • lxoliva
     @lxoliva I’m cannot negotiate with artists. I try to convince them that free culture is the better way for them, too.
   • zotz (zotz)'s status on Tuesday, 28-Aug-2012 08:24:03 EDT zotz

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     • arnebab
     Free software has examples of one way that works.
   • zotz (zotz)'s status on Tuesday, 28-Aug-2012 08:25:27 EDT zotz

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     • arnebab
     the people who use the licenses are mixed together despite their very different goals. it creates "fun" for elastic definitions of the word.