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zotz (zotz)'s status on Monday, 27-Aug-2012 20:42:41 EDT 
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Whichever comes first, but it would be good to change them just from the pov of inadvertent lock down of works from creators ignorant of © -
zotz (zotz)'s status on Monday, 27-Aug-2012 20:35:56 EDT
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we could try and change the treaties like this for instance: http://ur1.ca/0cd1w -
zotz (zotz)'s status on Monday, 27-Aug-2012 20:25:04 EDT
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they would still hear about CC. and perhaps the Free software folks would feel better promoting the brand too. extra push. -
zotz (zotz)'s status on Monday, 27-Aug-2012 20:23:46 EDT
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fine but perhaps because they can still get the good CC buzz/vibes while not making the commitment to Freedom. separate the brands at least. -
zotz (zotz)'s status on Monday, 27-Aug-2012 20:21:05 EDT
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way too much time. sign up for kompoz, go about your daily business as if you were only interested in Free works, see how much extra effort -
zotz (zotz)'s status on Monday, 27-Aug-2012 20:16:42 EDT
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the licenses are mixed brand wise. they are all CC licenses but the Free and the non-Free do not coexist well. -
zotz (zotz)'s status on Monday, 27-Aug-2012 20:15:49 EDT
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nope, what percentage of creatives entirely support themselves from their creativity using any strategy? writers. actors, musicians? -
zotz (zotz)'s status on Monday, 27-Aug-2012 20:14:21 EDT
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but you don't have to have the Free and non-Free licenses under the same brand. for one it would avoid these constant discussions. -
zotz (zotz)'s status on Monday, 27-Aug-2012 20:13:09 EDT
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if you want to drop all of that, I will not fight you. -
zotz (zotz)'s status on Monday, 27-Aug-2012 20:12:13 EDT
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because they don't belong, at a minimum, I have asked for years now that CC at least give us a FreeCC brand. no action on even that request. -
zotz (zotz)'s status on Monday, 27-Aug-2012 20:11:04 EDT
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but who knows, it may come to that at some point. depends on how uncomfortable things get. the incompatible Free-copyleft silos = no good -
zotz (zotz)'s status on Monday, 27-Aug-2012 20:09:52 EDT
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because of creative commons stated influence history and its name, creative commons. nc and nd are not part of a commons. they don't belong. -
zotz (zotz)'s status on Monday, 27-Aug-2012 20:02:22 EDT
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or at a *minimum* to create a FreeCC brand that the Freedom folks can promote without confusion. been asked for for years. -
zotz (zotz)'s status on Monday, 27-Aug-2012 19:58:36 EDT
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and this is a big problem -
zotz (zotz)'s status on Monday, 27-Aug-2012 19:42:39 EDT
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I think mixing the Free and non-Free under one banner harms CC and betrays the idea of a creative *commons* -
zotz (zotz)'s status on Monday, 27-Aug-2012 19:41:51 EDT
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as we see with the GPL vs BSD, MIT, Apache, it is hard enough to mix the copyleft and permissive Free. -
zotz (zotz)'s status on Monday, 27-Aug-2012 19:41:07 EDT
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and there are complaints that that is insulting. you cant comfortably mix the Free and the non-Free. -
zotz (zotz)'s status on Monday, 27-Aug-2012 19:33:12 EDT
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we do that now in countries where slavery is illegal. shall we go back and start respecting peoples freedom to become slaves and to own them -
zotz (zotz)'s status on Monday, 27-Aug-2012 19:32:07 EDT
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the other side was quite happy to force copyright on all works, marked or not. -
zotz (zotz)'s status on Monday, 27-Aug-2012 19:26:51 EDT
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i say the fracture does no harm as the Free and the non-Free CC licenses are not a part of the same commons in the first place.
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