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1. Former Bob Jonkman -- Please use the new server at https://gs.jonkman.ca (bobjonkmanformer)'s status on Wednesday, 07-Sep-2016 03:05:41 EDT Former Bob Jonkman -- Please use the new server at https://gs.jonkman.ca

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   • Mikael
   Didn't Google shut down their !XMPP federation when they started Hangouts?
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   • Joshua Judson Rosen (rozzin)'s status on Thursday, 08-Sep-2016 13:12:40 EDT Joshua Judson Rosen

     • Former Bob Jonkman -- Please use the new server at https://gs.jonkman.ca
     #Google didn't so much shut down their !XMPP federation support as just stop maintaining it (which one could argue is actually worse); there's some info in "No, it's not the end of XMPP for Google Talk": http://xmpp.org/2015/03/no-its-not-the-end-of-xmpp-for-google-talk/
   • Former Bob Jonkman -- Please use the new server at https://gs.jonkman.ca (bobjonkmanformer)'s status on Thursday, 08-Sep-2016 14:14:23 EDT Former Bob Jonkman -- Please use the new server at https://gs.jonkman.ca

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     • Joshua Judson Rosen
     @rozzin Good link, thanx! I've got a bunch of people using #Google services on my roster. I still get their presence information, but can't chat with them. I suspect their access to XMPP was restricted when they tried Hangouts, which flipped some kind of internal switch on the Google servers.
   • Joshua Judson Rosen (rozzin)'s status on Thursday, 08-Sep-2016 16:49:41 EDT Joshua Judson Rosen

     • Former Bob Jonkman -- Please use the new server at https://gs.jonkman.ca
     For a while #GoogleTalk was still available via #Google's webUIs, but then they switched the back end on those to Hangouts for everyone and removed the option for which back-end was in use. And for a while they displayed prominent notices about what was going on, but then eventually they stopped doing that. So if you went some period of time without using #GMail for example, you might have missed all of the banners.
   • Joshua Judson Rosen (rozzin)'s status on Thursday, 08-Sep-2016 16:56:50 EDT Joshua Judson Rosen
     #Google's migration of #GMail users from the #GoogleTalk backend to Hangouts would have actually been pretty good for an internal corporate rollout where 100% migration was achieved with intense handholding. But for something this public, they should have at least sent stragglers an e-mail with specific hard cut-over dates—instead of assuming that if you weren't present for the parade then you didn't matter.
   • Joshua Judson Rosen (rozzin)'s status on Thursday, 08-Sep-2016 16:59:25 EDT Joshua Judson Rosen
     So, #GoogleTalk still works and is still #federated #XMPP, but is an #island WRT other #Google services: there are no lines of direct communication with the Google mainland, despite being able to still see the lights on in the distance sometimes.
   • Joshua Judson Rosen (rozzin)'s status on Thursday, 08-Sep-2016 17:04:32 EDT Joshua Judson Rosen

     • Former Bob Jonkman -- Please use the new server at https://gs.jonkman.ca
     @bobjonkman, at this point #GoogleTalk is (just) a pretty shitty #XMPP server: it's missing a whole bunch of important XEPs like Carbons and fully-functional MUCs, and it doesn't do back-end #TLS so most (better) servers will refuse to talk to it.
   • Joshua Judson Rosen (rozzin)'s status on Friday, 09-Sep-2016 17:00:15 EDT Joshua Judson Rosen

     • Former Bob Jonkman -- Please use the new server at https://gs.jonkman.ca
     If you really need to #IM with people via #Google, here's a nice #XMPP gateway for your side: https://github.com/ZeWaren/jabber-hangouts-transport
   • Joshua Judson Rosen (rozzin)'s status on Friday, 09-Sep-2016 17:02:59 EDT Joshua Judson Rosen

     • Former Bob Jonkman -- Please use the new server at https://gs.jonkman.ca
     @bobjonkman, the Hangouts/XMPP gateway is based on this #Python "hangups" library: https://github.com/tdryer/hangups