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...yeah, or just IRC. There are mobile friendly clients, clients integrated for web browser use, multiple desktop varieties. They could even pre-configure and brand a "Creative Commons chat client" since it's all !floss. IRC is excellent because it doesn't require a preregistered account, it is a common and well-spread means of communication, it can be integrated with …
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I'm really disappointed to see that more and more projects and initiatives are switching to proprietary communication platforms. This can't be the solution! https://io.schiessle.org/url/24365 #CreativeCommons #Slack
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Wtf are #CreativeCommons doing there?!
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#Slack is the opposite of a common and not even very creative!
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@fnadde42 (and since the community was already on IRC it's extremely weird to move _away_ from an open environment and lock the communication in with a proprietary vendor).
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Btw, this means that noone who is the member of a country which has a trade embargo with the USA can become part of the "chatty" community of Creative Commons, right?
Since everyone who uses Slack must become customers there.
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@bob They say their IRC channel is linked in with a bot to Slack (I guess just relaying "<SlackUser1> blah blah", eliminating tab completion).
I'm curious however whether that's even allowed by Slack's EULA and - more importantly - what happens when Freenode notices an extremely spammy user (think ~20 Slack users communicating simultaneously, relaying everything to IRC).
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@ddeimeke I agree to some extend, but I think some of your arguments are to negative. GPG: yes, the web-of-trust is complicated. But I would argue that many people can just ignore it. For them it is simply "secure enough" to just encrypt the mail. How many people verify Signal fingerprints for Example? Almost nobody. And this is fine. IRC: there are Web services and clients (fo…
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@taknamay If you control the servers, you can create various methods of integrating the channel memberships/rosters.
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On that note, grove.io is apparently closing up shop, saying "We highly encourage you to switch as soon as possible to Slack who is absolutely killing it": https://grove.io/blog/closing-shop
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@rozzin @bes there are free code alternatives, such as #MatterMost and #Rocketchat, please use them instead of Slack!
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@strypey @rozzin @bes use MatterMost for all my team communication. it's great and light
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@mmn I'd guess #CreativeCommons think they're reaching out to some set of people they they think they can't connect with via IRC... Though as you noted there seem to be some big holes in the "can't" reasoning there.
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… and doing "PESOS" like this seems a pretty awful choice when "POSSE" possible: https://indieweb.org/PESOS https://indieweb.org/POSSE @mmn
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A principle of `depend strongly only on the most stable + least restrictive channel, attach everything else peripherally' would seem to apply even if you don't `own' that central `POSSE' hub https://indieweb.org/POSSE
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As an #IRC user, I'm always #frustrated by people using bridges that make it harder to talk with them by hiding them behind a single `bridge bot' handle with their actual name hidden _in the message content_ from the bot...
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@rozzin Yeah and now they're happy about "wow, we have hundredsomething users, that's awesome" without realising that they will still likely just be idling and never partake in discussion because Slack will simply hide it when people ignore the channel since people now have only rushed in because they saw the notice about a new channel. Slack can't make people communic…
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@rozzin The XMPP bridge I have seen on some #freenode channels does that, but the matrix.org freenode bridge gives you a real IRC user.
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