Notices tagged with cc, page 45
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dper (dper)'s status on Wednesday, 29-Aug-2012 23:20:56 EDT 
dper
@lxoliva ... talking about "freedom" is often less convincing than you think it is. Multiple meanings or definitions lead to emptiness. :-/ -
dper (dper)'s status on Wednesday, 29-Aug-2012 23:19:00 EDT
dper
@lxoliva Oh, sorry! What you see as the obvious difference between freedom and power is not as clear to many people. So ... -
lxoliva (lxoliva)'s status on Wednesday, 29-Aug-2012 23:15:09 EDT 
lxoliva
@dper sorry, what you were suggesting is *still* not, erhm, obvious :-) to me -
dper (dper)'s status on Wednesday, 29-Aug-2012 23:08:30 EDT
dper
@douglasawh @lxoliva I was suggesting that using the word "freedom" carelessly was ... careless. Apparently that wasn't obvious...? -
DJ Dougernaut (douglasawh)'s status on Wednesday, 29-Aug-2012 22:16:06 EDT 
DJ Dougernaut
@dper since utility calculus can stage with new developments, utility arguments are much more worthwhile since possible to convince people. -
lxoliva (lxoliva)'s status on Wednesday, 29-Aug-2012 22:14:29 EDT
lxoliva
@dper the sentence you quoted is analog to the oft-defended “freedom to own slaves”. it's not freedom, but power -
DJ Dougernaut (douglasawh)'s status on Wednesday, 29-Aug-2012 22:14:26 EDT
DJ Dougernaut
@dper it's not worth debating the power/freedom thing. People have been doing that since at least Aristotle and we haven't gotten anywhere. -
lxoliva (lxoliva)'s status on Wednesday, 29-Aug-2012 22:13:25 EDT
lxoliva
@dper we went through that numerous times. decisions that curtail what others can do are not freedom, they're power -
dper (dper)'s status on Wednesday, 29-Aug-2012 21:27:48 EDT
dper
@lxoliva For example, one could say, "The author ought to have the freedom to release work under CC-whatever, right? That's freedom, too." -
dper (dper)'s status on Wednesday, 29-Aug-2012 21:25:11 EDT
dper
@lxoliva It seems this discussion depends heavily on varying definitions of "freedom". It would be nice to use more articulate wording... -
mlinksva (mlinksva)'s status on Wednesday, 29-Aug-2012 20:09:35 EDT 
mlinksva
@laurelrusswurm note :-) :-). never too early to think, but yes way too soon to act. -
laurelrusswurm (laurelrusswurm)'s status on Wednesday, 29-Aug-2012 19:56:17 EDT 
laurelrusswurm
@mlinksva Isn't it a little early to be thinking of dropping the six in favour of CC0 ? !creativecommons -
lxoliva (lxoliva)'s status on Wednesday, 29-Aug-2012 18:00:09 EDT
lxoliva
@laurelrusswurm this strategy reinforces the false notion that authors should be entitled to subjugate others and deny freedoms -
rysiek (rysiek)'s status on Wednesday, 29-Aug-2012 16:56:32 EDT 
rysiek
.@zotz @laurelrusswurm @robmyers really, !cc is enterring the same debate !freesoftware has had for decades. here, let me spell this out: -
zotz (zotz)'s status on Wednesday, 29-Aug-2012 16:26:35 EDT 
zotz
I grant you BY is a power and is unneeded. the right to object to misattribution is different from the right to demand attribution. -
zotz (zotz)'s status on Wednesday, 29-Aug-2012 16:24:32 EDT
zotz
Not necessarily in terms of total Freedom while copyright law persists. When you go beyond SA you get into power rather than Freedom. -
laurelrusswurm (laurelrusswurm)'s status on Wednesday, 29-Aug-2012 14:22:19 EDT
laurelrusswurm
@carlopiana That's beyond my experience; part of why I incline toward keeping !cc licenses as inclusive as possible until tipping point -
laurelrusswurm (laurelrusswurm)'s status on Wednesday, 29-Aug-2012 11:30:03 EDT
laurelrusswurm
@mlinksva The !CreativeCommons strategy allowing creator choice across a spectrum offers a viable alternative to © "All Rights Reserved" -
laurelrusswurm (laurelrusswurm)'s status on Wednesday, 29-Aug-2012 09:20:16 EDT
laurelrusswurm
There is a more than reasonable chance that removing or segregating NC and ND from the !creativecommons suite will harm !cc and !freeculture -
laurelrusswurm (laurelrusswurm)'s status on Wednesday, 29-Aug-2012 09:06:36 EDT
laurelrusswurm
@bramalab Each of the base six !cc licenses sacrifice some freedom to ease the transition from permission culture to free culture !copyright
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