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1. laurelrusswurm (laurelrusswurm)'s status on Wednesday, 29-Aug-2012 11:30:03 EDT laurelrusswurm

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   • mlinksva
   @mlinksva The !CreativeCommons strategy allowing creator choice across a spectrum offers a viable alternative to © "All Rights Reserved"
   • lxoliva (lxoliva)'s status on Wednesday, 29-Aug-2012 18:00:09 EDT lxoliva

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     • laurelrusswurm
     @laurelrusswurm this strategy reinforces the false notion that authors should be entitled to subjugate others and deny freedoms
   • dper (dper)'s status on Wednesday, 29-Aug-2012 21:25:11 EDT dper

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     • lxoliva
     @lxoliva It seems this discussion depends heavily on varying definitions of "freedom". It would be nice to use more articulate wording...
   • dper (dper)'s status on Wednesday, 29-Aug-2012 21:27:48 EDT dper

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     • lxoliva
     @lxoliva For example, one could say, "The author ought to have the freedom to release work under CC-whatever, right? That's freedom, too."
   • lxoliva (lxoliva)'s status on Wednesday, 29-Aug-2012 22:13:25 EDT lxoliva

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     • dper
     @dper we went through that numerous times. decisions that curtail what others can do are not freedom, they're power
   • DJ Dougernaut (douglasawh)'s status on Wednesday, 29-Aug-2012 22:14:26 EDT DJ Dougernaut

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     • dper
     @dper it's not worth debating the power/freedom thing. People have been doing that since at least Aristotle and we haven't gotten anywhere.
   • lxoliva (lxoliva)'s status on Wednesday, 29-Aug-2012 22:14:29 EDT lxoliva

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     • dper
     @dper the sentence you quoted is analog to the oft-defended “freedom to own slaves”. it's not freedom, but power
   • DJ Dougernaut (douglasawh)'s status on Wednesday, 29-Aug-2012 22:16:06 EDT DJ Dougernaut

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     • dper
     @dper since utility calculus can stage with new developments, utility arguments are much more worthwhile since possible to convince people.
   • dper (dper)'s status on Wednesday, 29-Aug-2012 23:08:30 EDT dper

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     • DJ Dougernaut
     @douglasawh @lxoliva I was suggesting that using the word "freedom" carelessly was ... careless. Apparently that wasn't obvious...?
   • lxoliva (lxoliva)'s status on Wednesday, 29-Aug-2012 23:15:09 EDT lxoliva

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     • dper
     @dper sorry, what you were suggesting is *still* not, erhm, obvious :-) to me
   • dper (dper)'s status on Wednesday, 29-Aug-2012 23:19:00 EDT dper

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     • lxoliva
     @lxoliva Oh, sorry! What you see as the obvious difference between freedom and power is not as clear to many people. So ...
   • dper (dper)'s status on Wednesday, 29-Aug-2012 23:20:56 EDT dper

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     • lxoliva
     @lxoliva ... talking about "freedom" is often less convincing than you think it is. Multiple meanings or definitions lead to emptiness. :-/