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@aroque @roelofpieter indeed, there's no federated deleting yet on !gnusocial. Everything else (like fav'ing) should federate
- Joshua Judson Rosen repeated this.
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!gnusocial I seem to have noticed that the deletion of a notice is not federated. Is this supposed to be? On one test-account I created and deleted a notice, another test account on another server received it but after …
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@mcscx, @roelofpieter: there is no "yet". You're never going to be able to make everyone else un-hear something that you've said.
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@rozzin I know. Remote-cancelling dents (like in usenet) might still be a desirable feature. Or we could remove the Delete icon altogether
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@mcscx, I agree that being able to send cancellations might be useful. I think of cancellation as a separate feature from deletion, though.
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@mcscx, it's pretty common for me to delete notices locally, without having any desire to _cancel_ them, to decruft my profile timeline when they don't have much lasting value there.
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@mcscx, I actually wonder if the blatant `no takebacks' nature of !gnusocial might actually be part of what makes it such a nice place....
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@mcscx, !gnusocial seems to have an unusually high ratio of considered, thoughtful discourse from people who actually think about what they're about to say.
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@mcscx, I spent much of the 10 months thinking about this response, for example☺
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(I also spent much of the last 10 months *crunching* at my #dayjob. #startups! #adventure!)
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@rozzin @mcscx I don't think so. I think it's just because this is a GNU project, and people who care about software freedom are in general more thoughtful.
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@rozzin @mcscx I was literally just telling my wife this. Gnusocial feels like Twitter did in its early days, and that's pretty special
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Interestingly..., looking at the !gnusocial commit logs and online conversation, it looks like @mmn actually did make notice-deletes propagate through the network quasi-recently: http://status.hackerposse.com/conversation/87921#notice-87928 (commit from Sat Oct 10 11:08:17 2015 +0200: "I think I have made the delete verb generate proper AS").
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Thanks #ActivityStreams for helping us conflate "delete mine" and "recall/cancel/request others delete"(?) http://wiki.activitystrea.ms/w/page/23541872/Delete ; I █████ want █████ ████████████ ███████ ████ ████....
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@rozzin so you have been starting up startups?
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I do, in some sense, occasionally `wish that I could un-publish' a #typo..., but really that's more properly `I #wish I could publish a #revision [without confusing everyone else's timelines like a "s/ypot/typo/" postscript does]'.
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I also semi-frequently #wish that I could publish a #revision to now-rotted hyperlinks....
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Typos and rotted hyperlinks don't really give me the sort of `oh no' feeling that would make me want to actually erase the record, though—and I think it's actually at least a little useful to see the history of changes there.
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Other things that I _can_ see wanting `to have never published'..., it seems like there are just too many of those that creep me out. Like, some of the stuff on http://thequickbrown.com/ and probably lots of things affected by http://status.hackerposse.com/url/9694
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On the other hand, the idea of cryptosigning _everything_, building nonrepudiation into the comms system at too low a level, also kind-of creeps me out when it comes up....
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I think I may kind-of prefer a world in which it's still _technically_ possible for someone to claim `I didn't say that, it's a made-up quotation' even when they really did.
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If there's mountains of evidence contradicting someone's statement, that we can all trace back to multiple reputable sources (e.g.: because too many people/archives `refuse to forget'), then we can all judge--from that--that someone's lying. But something about making non-repudiation `too built-in' doesn't sit right with me.
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Years ago, long before GNU social or StatusNet or #ActivityStreams, I remember actually working on something similar (more like a #MUD...) with reified actions that distributed over the network; it was my intention w/ _that_ (though I never actually got there) to be able to publish #REVISION actions and also have them propagate in the same way as less meta actions.
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I always thought of maintaining #revision history of the timeline as an explicit #feature, rather than just something for people without forethought to be afraid of ne'er-do-wells setting up. ☺
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It still annoys the heck out of me that blogs (including mine) aren't revision-controlled. I find the usability of manually-inserted "[EDIT: I changed this from... to...]" to be pretty atrocious--both as a writer and a reader. It was OK when we were publishing by distributing *paper*, but we should be able to do better on the Internet. #Dammit.
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@rozzin more than the revision history built into WordPress?
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@consciousobserver, what I really want for my blog is little hyperlinked `this part has been revised' indicators all over the page, sort-of like are all over #CLtL2 except less intrusive than that (because CLtL2 is paper and can't support hyperlinks, both unlike my blog). Something like, say, footnote markers+links that let everyone roll back and look at the diffs at every stage.
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@rozzin as a whole page, or just the sections? my brain gears are turning now.
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@mcscx, basically. I spent much of the last few years developing these !robots...: https://www.harvestai.com/
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@mcscx, the last year was kind-of intense--mostly heads down, deep hack mode for the last few months.
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"Twitter cuts API access to more sites archiving deleted politicians’ tweets" Ars Technica (2015) http://ur1.ca/ojewy (via @rozzin)
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@rozzin nice harvesting #bots. I hope they will help to make life better for all mankind :-) cc: @hannes2peer
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@rozzin I recently saw a conversation thread screenshot of facebook or Diaspora or Friendica, with one post marked "edited on …"
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@rozzin nice! 10 years ago I worked with a guy who designed and sold a thing for that industry called the HookOn machine.
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@mcscx, I hope so too. I think they're off to a reasonably good start, so far....
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@mcscx, the engineering work's done, so #myworkhereisdone; getting more of them out into the world, serving humanity, is up to other people.
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