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rysiek (rysiek)'s status on Thursday, 11-Oct-2012 15:29:28 EDT 
rysiek
@laroquod @marjoleink "monopoly." bit.ly/UTCAHi Sorry, debating this without asking Wikipedia is silly. Copyright *is* a form of monopoly. -
marjoleink (marjoleink)'s status on Thursday, 11-Oct-2012 15:37:52 EDT 
marjoleink
@rysiek defining 'market' in terms of a sole supplier is 'silly'. Of course a a sole supplier has a virtual monopoly but that is meaningless -
rysiek (rysiek)'s status on Thursday, 11-Oct-2012 15:42:03 EDT
rysiek
@marjoleink it's not meaningless, it's how copyright works. and copyright is about letting authors get compensation, that was the whole idea -
rysiek (rysiek)'s status on Thursday, 11-Oct-2012 15:42:18 EDT
rysiek
@marjoleink I agree, though, that in many regards copyright is, indeed, silly :) -
rysiek (rysiek)'s status on Thursday, 11-Oct-2012 15:42:45 EDT
rysiek
@marjoleink but stomping your feet, putting your fingers in your ears and shouting "COPYRIGHT IS NOT A MONOPOLY" does not make it so. -
marjoleink (marjoleink)'s status on Thursday, 11-Oct-2012 15:46:39 EDT
marjoleink
@rysiek no, that's not what copyright (as 'author's right') is about. it's about distribution. -
marjoleink (marjoleink)'s status on Thursday, 11-Oct-2012 15:50:18 EDT
marjoleink
@rysiek indeed. E.g., I have copyright to my letters to my mum & dad - but I regard that more as a matter of privacy. -
marjoleink (marjoleink)'s status on Thursday, 11-Oct-2012 15:51:05 EDT
marjoleink
@rysiek no need for stomping feet, because where there is no 'market' in the true sense, 'monopoly' does not apply. -
rysiek (rysiek)'s status on Thursday, 11-Oct-2012 15:51:43 EDT
rysiek
@marjoleink distribution in order to?.. if the reason was dissemination, why restrict it so? no, the reason is compensation. -
rysiek (rysiek)'s status on Thursday, 11-Oct-2012 15:52:15 EDT
rysiek
@marjoleink yes, but if ANYBODY has the right to sell them, it's you. irrelevant, if you indeed do want to sell them -
rysiek (rysiek)'s status on Thursday, 11-Oct-2012 15:53:40 EDT
rysiek
@marjoleink here, have another source: bit.ly/RA7yDQ and another one: bit.ly/RA7zHX the fact that you don't like it doesn't change the fact. -
lxoliva (lxoliva)'s status on Thursday, 11-Oct-2012 16:02:47 EDT 
lxoliva
@marjoleink monopoly means “[only] one sells”; do you deny copyright empowers you to be the only one who sells works of your authorship? -
laroquod (laroquod)'s status on Thursday, 11-Oct-2012 16:03:01 EDT 
laroquod
@rysiek @marjoleink More links here: http://ur1.ca/aixo7 here: http://ur1.ca/aixo8 -
marjoleink (marjoleink)'s status on Thursday, 11-Oct-2012 16:04:44 EDT
marjoleink
@rysiek no, it is not! -
marjoleink (marjoleink)'s status on Thursday, 11-Oct-2012 16:07:11 EDT
marjoleink
@rysiek no, ANYone I grant the right to sell my work - not just me. Even if I do want to sell my own work AS WELL. -
marjoleink (marjoleink)'s status on Thursday, 11-Oct-2012 16:10:16 EDT
marjoleink
@rysiek 1. is 'thesaurusally' a word? how does this apply at all to Dutch Author's right? -
marjoleink (marjoleink)'s status on Thursday, 11-Oct-2012 16:10:41 EDT
marjoleink
2. 'If entity X has monopoly in apples, the fact that I can buy oranges instead of apples does not change the fact that X has a monopoly.'.. -
lxoliva (lxoliva)'s status on Thursday, 11-Oct-2012 16:11:01 EDT
lxoliva
@marjoleink just like any monopolist can permit third parties to resell her own product -
marjoleink (marjoleink)'s status on Thursday, 11-Oct-2012 16:11:50 EDT
marjoleink
...but I do not have a monopoly in even in something as narrow as 'photographs taken on Karakul', let alone a wider category -
marjoleink (marjoleink)'s status on Thursday, 11-Oct-2012 16:13:00 EDT
marjoleink
I conclude that both 1. and 2. are irrelevant. I make unique photographs but do not have a monopoly on such photographs. -
rysiek (rysiek)'s status on Thursday, 11-Oct-2012 16:13:16 EDT
rysiek
@marjoleink ah, well, you convinced me with your well thought-through argumentation and solid sources. -
rysiek (rysiek)'s status on Thursday, 11-Oct-2012 16:14:29 EDT
rysiek
@marjoleink and with that I'm out of this thread, because there is just a limited amount of childish feet-stomping I can endure. -
marjoleink (marjoleink)'s status on Thursday, 11-Oct-2012 16:19:31 EDT
marjoleink
@lxoliva I deny that I am the only one who could possibly sell photographs of windows in Karakul (even if there were any buyers) -
marjoleink (marjoleink)'s status on Thursday, 11-Oct-2012 16:22:58 EDT
marjoleink
@lxoliva so what? -
marjoleink (marjoleink)'s status on Thursday, 11-Oct-2012 16:23:53 EDT
marjoleink
:) no feet, let alone stomping involved. That's all exclusively in your imagination. -
rysiek (rysiek)'s status on Thursday, 11-Oct-2012 16:25:39 EDT
rysiek
@marjoleink I would suggest you to do some reading; find a definition of monopoly; find a definition of copyright; connect the dots. -
rysiek (rysiek)'s status on Thursday, 11-Oct-2012 16:26:32 EDT
rysiek
@marjoleink you were even supplied with several sources. your choice to use them or not. now I bid you farewell on this topic until you do. -
marjoleink (marjoleink)'s status on Thursday, 11-Oct-2012 16:26:49 EDT
marjoleink
@rysiek you are wrong in assuming I did not do what you suggest -
marjoleink (marjoleink)'s status on Thursday, 11-Oct-2012 16:28:39 EDT
marjoleink
@rysiek I ddi look at ALL sources provided in this thread. Precious few referring to 'Author's rights' that is. -
lxoliva (lxoliva)'s status on Thursday, 11-Oct-2012 16:40:42 EDT
lxoliva
@marjoleink how about the photographs you took yourself, that are the works of your authorship? my question didn't include others' -
marjoleink (marjoleink)'s status on Thursday, 11-Oct-2012 16:42:51 EDT
marjoleink
@lxoliva they do not consitute a 'market' if that's what you mean. Others can go to the same places and/or take pictures of the same things. -
marjoleink (marjoleink)'s status on Thursday, 11-Oct-2012 16:44:22 EDT
marjoleink
@lxoliva my pictures are unique - but because they do not constitute a 'market' I do not have a 'monopoly'. -
lxoliva (lxoliva)'s status on Thursday, 11-Oct-2012 16:45:53 EDT
lxoliva
@marjoleink no, I don't mean that. don't guess or distort what I write. can anyone else sell your works without your permission? -
marjoleink (marjoleink)'s status on Thursday, 11-Oct-2012 16:48:00 EDT
marjoleink
@lxoliva when it's released with a CC license they certainly can -
marjoleink (marjoleink)'s status on Thursday, 11-Oct-2012 16:48:15 EDT
marjoleink
@löxoliva I only use CC-BY -
marjoleink (marjoleink)'s status on Thursday, 11-Oct-2012 16:56:02 EDT
marjoleink
@lxoliva oops - correction. I only use CC BY-SA. Because I want others to use the same license -
lxoliva (lxoliva)'s status on Thursday, 11-Oct-2012 16:57:30 EDT
lxoliva
@marjoleink and by using CC-BY you *already* allow them to profit. even PD, you're still the author, you just lose power to enforce it -
marjoleink (marjoleink)'s status on Thursday, 11-Oct-2012 16:59:37 EDT
marjoleink
@lxoliva when I'm dead I have no power at all. I prefer that my heirs are not privileged for what they did not create. -
lxoliva (lxoliva)'s status on Thursday, 11-Oct-2012 17:00:14 EDT
lxoliva
@marjoleink no diff WRT heir profits. anyway... I'm outta here, bed time. pls look up monopoly then answer my question to yourself -
marjoleink (marjoleink)'s status on Thursday, 11-Oct-2012 17:04:14 EDT
marjoleink
@lxoliva I did look up 'monopoly' before you asked any questions... Sweet dreams!
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