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@sim @moonman Monetising virtue-signalling, that.
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@sim @purplehippo @moonman These people always have to be fighting something. They are incapable of living a peacable quiet existence. They are validated by petty social conflict.
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@sim @purplehippo @verius @moonman It goes deeper than that. If you're their enemy, they will not concede. This is why the identity politics they rely upon ends up in such contradictory knots.
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@sim @purplehippo @moonman @verius once put it very aptly as "be the problem you want to solve"
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@verius @sim You're seeing them fighting tooth and nail to retain relevance in the United States right now, for example, because more than anything, the recent election was the people of the United States rejecting that infiltration.
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@verius @sim Make no mistake, this is why Donald is doing the "purge" of some public offices.
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@verius @sim He's trying to identify the infiltration vectors, and like it or not, that's one of them. The same thing we're seeing now with feminism, with frankly anti-feminist and anti-women views being paraded as feminism because these individuals have infiltrated, had been happening in environmentalism since the early-to-mid 2000s.
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@verius @sim There's a lot of bunkum these people have been able to effectively pass as the views of that group, and they are responsible for a lot of the proliferation of pseudoscientific views that are provably false as regards climate change.
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@verius @sim As to seeking out political opponents, well, that's part and parcel with a new administration in office for any government. Some do it in a more "nice" way than others, but every one does it.
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@verius @sim I'm willing to ascribe it to inexperience and incompetence more than maliciousness. I find it very easy to believe that Trump is in over his head and lacks the experience to do any of this in a tactful and more proper fashion.
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@verius @sim No, he really doesn't, but that only reinforces my point. It will be interesting to see if he learns and grows, or if he just bangs the same drum the whole administration.
It'll be the thing that communicates whether he's just the other side of the same coin, or actually better than the PC progressives crowd.
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@verius @sim Ultimately it comes down to who he can trust. After the "nevertrump" hashtag I'm sure he's a bit touchy about the subject.
Mattis as minister of defence was a fucking inspired choice though. The US DOD will follow Mattis through hell and back.
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@sim @verius Well, these people are infiltrators looking for causes with social credit to use to their advantage, not believers in the actual core ideologies.
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@gameragodzilla @moonman @sim "Too much"
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@gameragodzilla @moonman @sim You too can be a LGBTQWERTY-approved gamer!
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@sim @verius Hi
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@verius @sim I like her work for the most part (some relatively minor quibbles here and there) but I think she belonged involved with GamerGate as much as I belong in a club for heterosexual swingers.
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@sim @verius The problem with actual gender equality is that it goes both ways. If people like me want women to be equal to men (which, well, I do at least!) that means not only improving the areas which were deficient, such as historically, the right to vote, and more modernly, conventions around marriage and job roles, it ALSO means we need to be prepared to temp…
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@verius @sim Keeping special status may be desirable, and I won't deny there's ways in which it could directly benefit me as an individual even, but as a former psychologist, I recognize the deeper harm to doing so: if you have a group that is placed above another, intentionally by such special status or by means of receiving things the other does not, then what you …
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@camoceltic @moonman @gameragodzilla @sim It used to be just "LGB" in my time. The rest has been added by people glomming on to the popular cause to seek to use it to their own ends, and that goes for transsexuals (or I guess we call them transgenders) too.
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@sim @verius Let's not mince words, this is something she did for popularity. I want to choose my words very carefully for this next bit. I like her beliefs for the most part, other than some quibbles. I do not like her as a person. I feel she is opprotunistic, and often gloms onto causes (such as GamerGate) and speaking arrangements that get her more baggage …
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@verius @sim I have been trying to decide for a long time if she is just a well-meaning fool or if she is intentionally fame-seeking.
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@sim @verius Well what you describe is a well-discussed topic. So let me clarify here. Equality can mean one of two broad concepts based on who you ask, and both Men's Rights Activists as they term themselves, and feminists, can be broadly delineated as to which of the two you support: Equality of Opprotunity versus Equality of Outcome Some, such as me, feel t…
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@maiyannah @verius @sim equality of outcome is like the government schemes which treat everyone identically regardless of their actual needs. Alexander Berkman mentions this dichotomy in Now and After and says that in most cases equality of opportunity is the most desirable thing although in some cases equalizing outcome helps to build confidence. He gives the example of po…
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@arsaces @verius @sim No. Equity is a thing that you get with loans or sale of assets. It is not at all fair.
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@arsaces @verius @sim I'm being snarky. It's not something that applies.
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@arsaces @verius @sim I reject the terminology here because it's something introduced by people whom infiltrated feminism to apply a divisive label to another group so they can say they are not striving for equity. It's a manipulation of language that is intentional and mal-intended.
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@verius @sim @arsaces *equality.
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@arsaces @verius @sim I know, that's so unusual!
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