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1. mlinksva (mlinksva)'s status on Friday, 28-Dec-2012 18:31:30 EST mlinksva

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   • Brett Smith
   http://linux.com/feature/119212 in an otherwise ill-informed 2007 article, good quote from @brettcsmith on recommending !GPL to artists. !CC
   • mlinksva (mlinksva)'s status on Friday, 28-Dec-2012 18:33:07 EST mlinksva

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     "As more artists use the GPL and gain an understanding of how it affects their works, they'll be able to share that knowledge with..."
   • mlinksva (mlinksva)'s status on Friday, 28-Dec-2012 18:35:36 EST mlinksva

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     "... their friends and colleagues, making it easier for the next person to understand." (IMO that knowledge includes of FaiF ethics, not...
   • mlinksva (mlinksva)'s status on Friday, 28-Dec-2012 18:37:09 EST mlinksva

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     ...mere practicalities. Non-propagation of such are one of the costs of FLOSS anti-vision for non-sw works in late 1990s.)
   • mlinksva (mlinksva)'s status on Friday, 28-Dec-2012 18:38:47 EST mlinksva

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     • arnebab
     I predict that @arnebab might agree. Anyone else? ;-)
   • mlinksva (mlinksva)'s status on Friday, 28-Dec-2012 18:41:01 EST mlinksva

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     I meant "not *only* mere practicalities"
   • csolisr (csolisr)'s status on Friday, 28-Dec-2012 18:51:47 EST csolisr

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     • mlinksva
     @mlinksva I want my comic book to be edited only with free software and have sources always available, so I'll dual-license it GPL+CC-By-SA.
   • arnebab (arnebab)'s status on Friday, 28-Dec-2012 18:56:39 EST arnebab

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     • csolisr
     @csolisr then people can use cc by-sa and not publish sources…
   • mlinksva (mlinksva)'s status on Friday, 28-Dec-2012 19:00:19 EST mlinksva

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     • csolisr
     @csolisr dual licensing doesn't work like that, is disjunctive. If you always want to require sources, use only GPL.
   • csolisr (csolisr)'s status on Friday, 28-Dec-2012 19:15:16 EST csolisr

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     • mlinksva
     @mlinksva If I use just SA people wouldn't release source, if I use just GPL I'd become SA-incompatible. Somehow I must use both at a time.
   • mlinksva (mlinksva)'s status on Friday, 28-Dec-2012 19:24:25 EST mlinksva

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     • csolisr
     @csolisr I think only way to get (close?) to what you want is GPL+additional permission to include in larger BY-SA work so long as your...
   • mlinksva (mlinksva)'s status on Friday, 28-Dec-2012 19:27:32 EST mlinksva

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     • csolisr
     @csolisr ..."part" and direct modifications thereof remain under GPL with source available. Probably tricky to...
   • mlinksva (mlinksva)'s status on Friday, 28-Dec-2012 19:28:34 EST mlinksva

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     • csolisr
     @csolisr ...tricky to get right, but ought become a common situation.
   • vlax (vlax)'s status on Friday, 28-Dec-2012 19:29:28 EST vlax

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     • mlinksva
     @mlinksva and what about "Free Arte Licence"? http://ur1.ca/3pt1m is focused specifically on art productions
   • mlinksva (mlinksva)'s status on Friday, 28-Dec-2012 19:37:48 EST mlinksva

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     • vlax
     @vlax everything said about BY-SA above is also true of FAL. It is another copyleft that does not require sharing source.
   • johnnynull (johnnynull)'s status on Friday, 28-Dec-2012 19:39:11 EST johnnynull

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     • vlax
     @mlinksva @vlax So, stupid question: Who makes these licenses? Can just anyone drum up some license remix? Do they hold up in court?
   • vlax (vlax)'s status on Friday, 28-Dec-2012 19:42:18 EST vlax

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     • johnnynull
     @johnnynull @mlinksva dunno,, but that is a really good pragmatical question
   • johnnynull (johnnynull)'s status on Friday, 28-Dec-2012 19:46:37 EST johnnynull

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     • mlinksva
     • vlax
     @mlinksva @vlax I ask because I seem to remember when CC finally went to court, if it would be honored was said to be questioned.
   • mlinksva (mlinksva)'s status on Friday, 28-Dec-2012 19:51:53 EST mlinksva

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     • vlax
     @johnnynull @vlax a few people, maybe but problematic, same as last answer.
   • mlinksva (mlinksva)'s status on Friday, 28-Dec-2012 19:53:36 EST mlinksva

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     • vlax
     @johnnynull @vlax http://faif.us/cast/2012/jun/19/0x2C/ http://wiki.creativecommons.org/Case_Law
   • johnnynull (johnnynull)'s status on Friday, 28-Dec-2012 20:02:55 EST johnnynull

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     • mlinksva
     @mlinksva Thank you. Bookmarked for later consumption.
   • arnebab (arnebab)'s status on Friday, 28-Dec-2012 20:08:47 EST arnebab

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     • csolisr
     @csolisr I personally decided to not use cc sa stuff until they figured out how to make it GPL compatible.
   • arnebab (arnebab)'s status on Friday, 28-Dec-2012 20:10:41 EST arnebab

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     • csolisr
     @csolisr The current plan of cc is one-way compatibility: Being able to relicense by-sa stuff to GPL (=adding source requirement)
   • arnebab (arnebab)'s status on Friday, 28-Dec-2012 20:11:28 EST arnebab

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     • johnnynull
     @johnnynull normally you need lawyers to go over these licenses to make sure they are solid :(
   • johnnynull (johnnynull)'s status on Friday, 28-Dec-2012 20:13:41 EST johnnynull

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     • arnebab
     @arnebab That's what I was thinking. Tossing these things around haphazardly seems reckless and dangerous for the creators.
   • csolisr (csolisr)'s status on Friday, 28-Dec-2012 20:37:32 EST csolisr

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     • mlinksva
     @mlinksva You're a licensing genius. I had totally forgotten about the GPL with linking exceptions. I could do that with SA and the FAL/LAL.
   • Joshua Judson Rosen (rozzin)'s status on Friday, 28-Dec-2012 21:25:42 EST Joshua Judson Rosen

     • csolisr
     Apparently, this also applies to #FOSS & !FreeCulture #licenses: http://www.xkcd.com/927/
   • mlinksva (mlinksva)'s status on Friday, 28-Dec-2012 21:28:10 EST mlinksva

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     • Joshua Judson Rosen
     @rozzin there's slow progress against that, ie towards GPL-compatibility for all.
   • csolisr (csolisr)'s status on Friday, 28-Dec-2012 21:34:15 EST csolisr

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     • Joshua Judson Rosen
     @rozzin Oh, the good old 927 is always so right.
   • johnnynull (johnnynull)'s status on Saturday, 29-Dec-2012 11:56:13 EST johnnynull

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     • mlinksva
     @mlinksva It was strictly GPL and CC. I was curious about these more obscure licenses.
   • mlinksva (mlinksva)'s status on Saturday, 29-Dec-2012 16:23:50 EST mlinksva

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     • johnnynull
     @johnnynull oops, I missed that you asked about (even more) obscure licenses. There exist very confusing ones, but with just a modicum of...
   • mlinksva (mlinksva)'s status on Saturday, 29-Dec-2012 16:25:53 EST mlinksva

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     • johnnynull
     @johnnynull ...I'd expect same results, given same policy objective. Differences in marketing much more significant than license text detail
   • DJ Dougernaut (douglasawh)'s status on Saturday, 23-Mar-2013 01:53:56 EDT DJ Dougernaut

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     • johnnynull
     not to bring up a new thread, but yes, anyone can write a license. Not just anyone can write a license for someone else though.
   • DJ Dougernaut (douglasawh)'s status on Saturday, 23-Mar-2013 01:56:12 EDT DJ Dougernaut

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     • johnnynull
     people make oral contracts all the time. An oral copyright license is enforceable. I'm not advocating for oral licensing, just saying: not hard to make a contract.
   • johnnynull (johnnynull)'s status on Saturday, 23-Mar-2013 07:38:14 EDT johnnynull

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     • DJ Dougernaut
     @douglasawh No, I appreciate you adding data. Thank you.
   • johnnynull (johnnynull)'s status on Saturday, 23-Mar-2013 07:39:33 EDT johnnynull

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     • DJ Dougernaut
     @douglasawh I find that kind of hard to believe, as the mantra "if it's not written down, it didn't happen" is chanted in legal circles.
   • DJ Dougernaut (douglasawh)'s status on Saturday, 23-Mar-2013 08:37:27 EDT DJ Dougernaut

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     • johnnynull
     well, oral contracts *are* hard to prove and there are certain things you can't do legally with a signature, though that is going to change state to state.
   • DJ Dougernaut (douglasawh)'s status on Saturday, 23-Mar-2013 08:38:59 EDT DJ Dougernaut

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     • johnnynull
     without*
   • DJ Dougernaut (douglasawh)'s status on Saturday, 23-Mar-2013 08:40:47 EDT DJ Dougernaut

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     • johnnynull
     getting exactly what you want is hard. Getting a contract is not. Generally speaking, if one provision goes, the whole thing doesn't fall with it.
   • johnnynull (johnnynull)'s status on Saturday, 23-Mar-2013 08:42:46 EDT johnnynull

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     • DJ Dougernaut
     @douglasawh This is very interesting. Thank you. Always more complexity.