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jacobwb (jacobwb)'s status on Thursday, 04-Oct-2012 06:21:00 EDT 
jacobwb
I know this would probably make it non-free, but I'd like a Creative Commons license with a no-for-profit-corporations clause. !cc -
dper (dper)'s status on Thursday, 04-Oct-2012 08:01:16 EDT 
dper
Unexpectedly smooth transition: Paper Planes (M.I.A.) -> Can't Touch This (M.C. Hammer). -
bentinc (bentinc)'s status on Thursday, 04-Oct-2012 09:58:00 EDT 
bentinc
@jacobwb why not share-alike? -
csolisr (csolisr)'s status on Thursday, 04-Oct-2012 15:37:01 EDT 
csolisr
@jacobwb With SA, corporations can't mix their copyrighted works with your work. -
zotz (zotz)'s status on Thursday, 04-Oct-2012 16:31:21 EDT 
zotz
well, technically, they can so long as the put the mixed portions under the sa... they are still copyrighted... -
csolisr (csolisr)'s status on Thursday, 04-Oct-2012 16:54:44 EDT
csolisr
@zotz Drats! That always happens to me. "Proprietary" is as inaccurate - free software has property. "Privative" is a very biased term. -
zotz (zotz)'s status on Thursday, 04-Oct-2012 17:21:20 EDT
zotz
consider this then: http://ur1.ca/6q2l5 -
jacobwb (jacobwb)'s status on Thursday, 04-Oct-2012 23:13:03 EDT
jacobwb
@bentinc Share-alike is only copyleft, corporations can still use any CC-by-SA works, as long as they don't proprietize/monopolize them. -
jacobwb (jacobwb)'s status on Thursday, 04-Oct-2012 23:17:12 EDT
jacobwb
@csolisr Somewhat true. Though, as long as the works stay separated, they can use them for whatever they want and make money doing so. -
jacobwb (jacobwb)'s status on Thursday, 04-Oct-2012 23:18:12 EDT
jacobwb
@csolisr Imagine a billion dollar corporate conglomerate like Warner Bros. selling indie bands' CC SA songs & not paying the original artist -
jacobwb (jacobwb)'s status on Thursday, 04-Oct-2012 23:22:27 EDT
jacobwb
@csolisr Similarly, EA can use indie bands' CC-by-SA songs, and graphic art works such as free textures, and not pay them for doing so. -
jacobwb (jacobwb)'s status on Thursday, 04-Oct-2012 23:24:49 EDT
jacobwb
@csolisr I think it's perfectly fine for an indie game to use an indie bands' CC songs without paying to do so. They wouldn't make millions. -
csolisr (csolisr)'s status on Thursday, 04-Oct-2012 23:27:18 EDT
csolisr
@jacobwb Wrong. EA would have to mix the song with the game; that would qualify as a derivative work. -
csolisr (csolisr)'s status on Thursday, 04-Oct-2012 23:27:51 EDT
csolisr
@jacobwb Nothing prevents the indie bands from doing it first, but if that is truly a concern, there's always NC -
bentinc (bentinc)'s status on Thursday, 04-Oct-2012 23:29:35 EDT
bentinc
@jacobwb and why shouldn't they? They have to give the same rights to others after all e.g. sharing. Not the best business model, is it? ;) -
jacobwb (jacobwb)'s status on Thursday, 04-Oct-2012 23:30:54 EDT
jacobwb
@zotz How does a more lax permissive license solve the problem? -
bentinc (bentinc)'s status on Thursday, 04-Oct-2012 23:32:45 EDT
bentinc
@jacobwb in the EA example, everyone would then be able to create merch without their consensus using that same artwork. -
jacobwb (jacobwb)'s status on Thursday, 04-Oct-2012 23:33:43 EDT
jacobwb
@csolisr The songs can remain as separate MP3 files. That wouldn't qualify as a derivative work, nor would it affect the games copyright. -
jacobwb (jacobwb)'s status on Thursday, 04-Oct-2012 23:36:12 EDT
jacobwb
@csolisr NC is too restrictive on non-corporations: http://ur1.ca/ahaut http://ur1.ca/ahauu -
bentinc (bentinc)'s status on Thursday, 04-Oct-2012 23:38:15 EDT
bentinc
@jacobwb I suppose you know the problems with -nc? http://ur1.ca/0tceu -
jacobwb (jacobwb)'s status on Thursday, 04-Oct-2012 23:39:14 EDT
jacobwb
@bentinc Yes, but nobody wants to make a t-shirt of a wood texture, random 3D gun models or whatever. EA's trademarks would be unaffected. -
jacobwb (jacobwb)'s status on Thursday, 04-Oct-2012 23:41:30 EDT
jacobwb
@bentinc Yes. That's why I'd want a NC-only-for-corporations clause. -
jacobwb (jacobwb)'s status on Thursday, 04-Oct-2012 23:42:59 EDT
jacobwb
@bentinc Everyone but corporations can use, sell, modify, and distribute the work without paying royalties. I think that'd be great. -
bentinc (bentinc)'s status on Thursday, 04-Oct-2012 23:44:41 EDT
bentinc
@jacobwb and how do you plan to differentiate between big business and some person who wants to create and sell her indie game? -
bentinc (bentinc)'s status on Thursday, 04-Oct-2012 23:48:17 EDT
bentinc
@jacobwb thats a difficult thing to do, philosophically as well as in (german) law. US law might differ in this regard but I doubt it. -
bentinc (bentinc)'s status on Thursday, 04-Oct-2012 23:49:34 EDT
bentinc
@jacobwb sounds like "in a perfect world we'd..." to me. :) -
jacobwb (jacobwb)'s status on Thursday, 04-Oct-2012 23:50:37 EDT
jacobwb
@bentinc Small businesses aren't usually corporations, correct? I don't know how it'd be implemented, it'd probably only be useful in court. -
jacobwb (jacobwb)'s status on Thursday, 04-Oct-2012 23:54:37 EDT
jacobwb
@bentinc :( Yeah... Maybe this would work "This work is licensed under CC-by-SA, unless you're a corporation making millions of dollars." ;) -
bentinc (bentinc)'s status on Thursday, 04-Oct-2012 23:55:40 EDT
bentinc
@jacobwb anyway, as I'm no corporation I'm looking forward to take a glance at your stuff once u decided on a licence! :) -
bentinc (bentinc)'s status on Thursday, 04-Oct-2012 23:58:21 EDT
bentinc
@jacobwb let's just include a clause "you know who you are" ;) -
jacobwb (jacobwb)'s status on Friday, 05-Oct-2012 00:02:59 EDT
jacobwb
@bentinc Haha, it'd be funny to use such a clause even if it doesn't add any additional legal protection :) -
jacobwb (jacobwb)'s status on Friday, 05-Oct-2012 00:03:11 EDT
jacobwb
@bentinc :) -
zotz (zotz)'s status on Friday, 05-Oct-2012 07:58:43 EDT
zotz
It is not permissive per se. it is more a copyleft among people. Rather than a copyleft per work, it is a copyleft per person. -
csolisr (csolisr)'s status on Friday, 05-Oct-2012 15:02:21 EDT
csolisr
@jacobwb Let me get it straight: CC-BY-NC is too privative, but CC-BY-SA is too free for you. Why not simply cope up with corporative use?
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