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1. jacobwb (jacobwb)'s status on Tuesday, 15-Jan-2013 23:46:47 EST jacobwb

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   I just created a !gNewSense live USB, but it won't boot; it checks the CD-ROM and kicks me to BusyBox. Anyone know how to fix this? !gnu !fs
   • csolisr (csolisr)'s status on Wednesday, 16-Jan-2013 00:34:31 EST csolisr

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     • jacobwb
     @jacobwb I'd say switch to Trisquel, but...
   • zoowar (zoowar)'s status on Wednesday, 16-Jan-2013 01:09:27 EST zoowar

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     • csolisr
     Or even Freed-ora http://ur1.ca/cjili
   • csolisr (csolisr)'s status on Wednesday, 16-Jan-2013 10:08:51 EST csolisr

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     • zoowar
     @zoowar Freedora still includes non-free software if it's not a kernel blob. For extra safety use #BLAG.
   • zoowar (zoowar)'s status on Wednesday, 16-Jan-2013 13:11:52 EST zoowar

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     • csolisr
     I don't follow you. The process described identifies non free packages, which one then removes.
   • lxoliva (lxoliva)'s status on Friday, 18-Jan-2013 07:39:35 EST lxoliva

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     • csolisr
     @csolisr no, it doesn't include any such thing. Freed-ora is a libre distribution of Linux, not of GNU/Linux
   • lxoliva (lxoliva)'s status on Friday, 18-Jan-2013 07:43:37 EST lxoliva

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     • csolisr
     @csolisr plus, any non-free software in Fedora (aside from firmware double-think) would be a violation of their own policy; got evidence?
   • csolisr (csolisr)'s status on Friday, 18-Jan-2013 09:55:11 EST csolisr

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     • lxoliva
     @lxoliva There are programs with addon repositories that do allow installing non-free software, like Firefox.
   • lxoliva (lxoliva)'s status on Friday, 18-Jan-2013 09:59:06 EST lxoliva

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     • csolisr
     @csolisr allowing is not the problem, encouraging is
   • lxoliva (lxoliva)'s status on Friday, 18-Jan-2013 09:59:25 EST lxoliva

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     • csolisr
     @csolisr although Fedora's shipping Firefox fails the FSDG for that, that doesn't make Firefox non-Free Software
   • csolisr (csolisr)'s status on Friday, 18-Jan-2013 10:01:50 EST csolisr

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     • lxoliva
     @lxoliva They do encourage it. Haven't you seen Mozilla's list of "must-have" addons at their site? Many of them are non-free.
   • lxoliva (lxoliva)'s status on Friday, 18-Jan-2013 10:05:33 EST lxoliva

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     • csolisr
     @csolisr I didn't say they didn't encourage them, just that the problem was not in the allowing their installation
   • csolisr (csolisr)'s status on Friday, 18-Jan-2013 10:07:24 EST csolisr

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     • lxoliva
     @lxoliva At least we do agree that #BLAG is more freedom-compliant than Freedora, right?
   • lxoliva (lxoliva)'s status on Friday, 18-Jan-2013 10:07:43 EST lxoliva

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     • csolisr
     @csolisr several incorrect conclusions could be drawn from your statements: (i) that Freed-ora ships Firefox ...
   • lxoliva (lxoliva)'s status on Friday, 18-Jan-2013 10:08:05 EST lxoliva

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     • csolisr
     @csolisr ... (ii) that allowing nonFS to be installed is a problem ...
   • lxoliva (lxoliva)'s status on Friday, 18-Jan-2013 10:08:21 EST lxoliva

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     • csolisr
     @csolisr ... (iii) that Firefox is non-Free because it allows that ...
   • lxoliva (lxoliva)'s status on Friday, 18-Jan-2013 10:09:00 EST lxoliva

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     • csolisr
     @csolisr ... (iv) and that any distro shipping Firefox ships non-Free Software
   • lxoliva (lxoliva)'s status on Friday, 18-Jan-2013 10:09:40 EST lxoliva

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     • csolisr
     @csolisr I think I know what you mean and if so I agree with it, but we have to be careful with our wording
   • lxoliva (lxoliva)'s status on Friday, 18-Jan-2013 10:11:04 EST lxoliva

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     • csolisr
     @csolisr some people love to find reasons to smear us, and “forbidding installation of software” is a frequent misrepresentation
   • lxoliva (lxoliva)'s status on Friday, 18-Jan-2013 10:13:26 EST lxoliva

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     • csolisr
     @csolisr BLAG contains all of Freed-ora, so no. you seem to have got the idea (maybe from me?) that Freed-ora is more than a Linux distro
   • csolisr (csolisr)'s status on Friday, 18-Jan-2013 10:14:13 EST csolisr

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     • lxoliva
     @lxoliva #Trisquel and #Parabola ship IceCat/ABrowser/IceWeasel-Libre for all of the aforementioned reasons.
   • lxoliva (lxoliva)'s status on Friday, 18-Jan-2013 10:14:44 EST lxoliva

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     • csolisr
     @csolisr Freed-ora is just RPM packaging of GNU Linux-libre, which in turn is just a Linux source Free distro
   • csolisr (csolisr)'s status on Friday, 18-Jan-2013 10:17:00 EST csolisr

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     • lxoliva
     @lxoliva An antivirus forbids installing malware for your own good. I don't see any difference with what a libre distro does.
   • mtjm (mtjm)'s status on Friday, 18-Jan-2013 10:28:59 EST mtjm

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     • lxoliva
     Firefox is nonfree for other reasons http://ur1.ca/ck5za ; I think "non-FSDG" is clearer in other cases
   • lxoliva (lxoliva)'s status on Friday, 18-Jan-2013 10:29:00 EST lxoliva

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     • csolisr
     @csolisr whereas a Free distro does NOT forbid installing non-Free Software, for it won't take over what's ultimately your decision
   • lxoliva (lxoliva)'s status on Friday, 18-Jan-2013 10:39:54 EST lxoliva

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     • mtjm
     @mtjm yeah, thanks for clarifying these points