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  1. jacobwb (jacobwb)'s status on Thursday, 04-Oct-2012 06:21:00 EDT jacobwb jacobwb
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    I know this would probably make it non-free, but I'd like a Creative Commons license with a no-for-profit-corporations clause. !cc
    Thursday, 04-Oct-2012 06:21:00 EDT from identi.ca at 34°30'2"N 117°11'9"W permalink
    • dper (dper)'s status on Thursday, 04-Oct-2012 08:01:16 EDT dper dper
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      • jacobwb
      Unexpectedly smooth transition: Paper Planes (M.I.A.) -> Can't Touch This (M.C. Hammer).
      Thursday, 04-Oct-2012 08:01:16 EDT permalink
    • bentinc (bentinc)'s status on Thursday, 04-Oct-2012 09:58:00 EDT bentinc bentinc
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      • jacobwb
      @jacobwb why not share-alike?
      Thursday, 04-Oct-2012 09:58:00 EDT permalink
    • csolisr (csolisr)'s status on Thursday, 04-Oct-2012 15:37:01 EDT csolisr csolisr
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      • jacobwb
      @jacobwb With SA, corporations can't mix their copyrighted works with your work.
      Thursday, 04-Oct-2012 15:37:01 EDT permalink
    • zotz (zotz)'s status on Thursday, 04-Oct-2012 16:31:21 EDT zotz zotz
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      • csolisr
      well, technically, they can so long as the put the mixed portions under the sa... they are still copyrighted...
      Thursday, 04-Oct-2012 16:31:21 EDT permalink
    • csolisr (csolisr)'s status on Thursday, 04-Oct-2012 16:54:44 EDT csolisr csolisr
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      • zotz
      @zotz Drats! That always happens to me. "Proprietary" is as inaccurate - free software has property. "Privative" is a very biased term.
      Thursday, 04-Oct-2012 16:54:44 EDT permalink
    • zotz (zotz)'s status on Thursday, 04-Oct-2012 17:21:20 EDT zotz zotz
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      • jacobwb
      consider this then: http://ur1.ca/6q2l5
      Thursday, 04-Oct-2012 17:21:20 EDT permalink
    • jacobwb (jacobwb)'s status on Thursday, 04-Oct-2012 23:13:03 EDT jacobwb jacobwb
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      • bentinc
      @bentinc Share-alike is only copyleft, corporations can still use any CC-by-SA works, as long as they don't proprietize/monopolize them.
      Thursday, 04-Oct-2012 23:13:03 EDT permalink
    • jacobwb (jacobwb)'s status on Thursday, 04-Oct-2012 23:17:12 EDT jacobwb jacobwb
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      • csolisr
      @csolisr Somewhat true. Though, as long as the works stay separated, they can use them for whatever they want and make money doing so.
      Thursday, 04-Oct-2012 23:17:12 EDT permalink
    • jacobwb (jacobwb)'s status on Thursday, 04-Oct-2012 23:18:12 EDT jacobwb jacobwb
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      • csolisr
      @csolisr Imagine a billion dollar corporate conglomerate like Warner Bros. selling indie bands' CC SA songs & not paying the original artist
      Thursday, 04-Oct-2012 23:18:12 EDT permalink
    • jacobwb (jacobwb)'s status on Thursday, 04-Oct-2012 23:22:27 EDT jacobwb jacobwb
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      • csolisr
      @csolisr Similarly, EA can use indie bands' CC-by-SA songs, and graphic art works such as free textures, and not pay them for doing so.
      Thursday, 04-Oct-2012 23:22:27 EDT permalink
    • jacobwb (jacobwb)'s status on Thursday, 04-Oct-2012 23:24:49 EDT jacobwb jacobwb
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      • csolisr
      @csolisr I think it's perfectly fine for an indie game to use an indie bands' CC songs without paying to do so. They wouldn't make millions.
      Thursday, 04-Oct-2012 23:24:49 EDT permalink
    • csolisr (csolisr)'s status on Thursday, 04-Oct-2012 23:27:18 EDT csolisr csolisr
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      • jacobwb
      @jacobwb Wrong. EA would have to mix the song with the game; that would qualify as a derivative work.
      Thursday, 04-Oct-2012 23:27:18 EDT permalink
    • csolisr (csolisr)'s status on Thursday, 04-Oct-2012 23:27:51 EDT csolisr csolisr
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      • jacobwb
      @jacobwb Nothing prevents the indie bands from doing it first, but if that is truly a concern, there's always NC
      Thursday, 04-Oct-2012 23:27:51 EDT permalink
    • bentinc (bentinc)'s status on Thursday, 04-Oct-2012 23:29:35 EDT bentinc bentinc
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      • jacobwb
      @jacobwb and why shouldn't they? They have to give the same rights to others after all e.g. sharing. Not the best business model, is it? ;)
      Thursday, 04-Oct-2012 23:29:35 EDT permalink
    • jacobwb (jacobwb)'s status on Thursday, 04-Oct-2012 23:30:54 EDT jacobwb jacobwb
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      • zotz
      @zotz How does a more lax permissive license solve the problem?
      Thursday, 04-Oct-2012 23:30:54 EDT permalink
    • bentinc (bentinc)'s status on Thursday, 04-Oct-2012 23:32:45 EDT bentinc bentinc
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      • jacobwb
      @jacobwb in the EA example, everyone would then be able to create merch without their consensus using that same artwork.
      Thursday, 04-Oct-2012 23:32:45 EDT permalink
    • jacobwb (jacobwb)'s status on Thursday, 04-Oct-2012 23:33:43 EDT jacobwb jacobwb
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      • csolisr
      @csolisr The songs can remain as separate MP3 files. That wouldn't qualify as a derivative work, nor would it affect the games copyright.
      Thursday, 04-Oct-2012 23:33:43 EDT permalink
    • jacobwb (jacobwb)'s status on Thursday, 04-Oct-2012 23:36:12 EDT jacobwb jacobwb
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      • csolisr
      @csolisr NC is too restrictive on non-corporations: http://ur1.ca/ahaut http://ur1.ca/ahauu
      Thursday, 04-Oct-2012 23:36:12 EDT permalink
    • bentinc (bentinc)'s status on Thursday, 04-Oct-2012 23:38:15 EDT bentinc bentinc
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      • jacobwb
      @jacobwb I suppose you know the problems with -nc? http://ur1.ca/0tceu
      Thursday, 04-Oct-2012 23:38:15 EDT permalink
    • jacobwb (jacobwb)'s status on Thursday, 04-Oct-2012 23:39:14 EDT jacobwb jacobwb
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      • bentinc
      @bentinc Yes, but nobody wants to make a t-shirt of a wood texture, random 3D gun models or whatever. EA's trademarks would be unaffected.
      Thursday, 04-Oct-2012 23:39:14 EDT permalink
    • jacobwb (jacobwb)'s status on Thursday, 04-Oct-2012 23:41:30 EDT jacobwb jacobwb
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      • bentinc
      @bentinc Yes. That's why I'd want a NC-only-for-corporations clause.
      Thursday, 04-Oct-2012 23:41:30 EDT permalink
    • jacobwb (jacobwb)'s status on Thursday, 04-Oct-2012 23:42:59 EDT jacobwb jacobwb
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      • bentinc
      @bentinc Everyone but corporations can use, sell, modify, and distribute the work without paying royalties. I think that'd be great.
      Thursday, 04-Oct-2012 23:42:59 EDT permalink
    • bentinc (bentinc)'s status on Thursday, 04-Oct-2012 23:44:41 EDT bentinc bentinc
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      • jacobwb
      @jacobwb and how do you plan to differentiate between big business and some person who wants to create and sell her indie game?
      Thursday, 04-Oct-2012 23:44:41 EDT permalink
    • bentinc (bentinc)'s status on Thursday, 04-Oct-2012 23:48:17 EDT bentinc bentinc
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      • jacobwb
      @jacobwb thats a difficult thing to do, philosophically as well as in (german) law. US law might differ in this regard but I doubt it.
      Thursday, 04-Oct-2012 23:48:17 EDT permalink
    • bentinc (bentinc)'s status on Thursday, 04-Oct-2012 23:49:34 EDT bentinc bentinc
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      • jacobwb
      @jacobwb sounds like "in a perfect world we'd..." to me. :)
      Thursday, 04-Oct-2012 23:49:34 EDT permalink
    • jacobwb (jacobwb)'s status on Thursday, 04-Oct-2012 23:50:37 EDT jacobwb jacobwb
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      • bentinc
      @bentinc Small businesses aren't usually corporations, correct? I don't know how it'd be implemented, it'd probably only be useful in court.
      Thursday, 04-Oct-2012 23:50:37 EDT permalink
    • jacobwb (jacobwb)'s status on Thursday, 04-Oct-2012 23:54:37 EDT jacobwb jacobwb
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      • bentinc
      @bentinc :( Yeah... Maybe this would work "This work is licensed under CC-by-SA, unless you're a corporation making millions of dollars." ;)
      Thursday, 04-Oct-2012 23:54:37 EDT permalink
    • bentinc (bentinc)'s status on Thursday, 04-Oct-2012 23:55:40 EDT bentinc bentinc
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      • jacobwb
      @jacobwb anyway, as I'm no corporation I'm looking forward to take a glance at your stuff once u decided on a licence! :)
      Thursday, 04-Oct-2012 23:55:40 EDT permalink
    • bentinc (bentinc)'s status on Thursday, 04-Oct-2012 23:58:21 EDT bentinc bentinc
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      • jacobwb
      @jacobwb let's just include a clause "you know who you are" ;)
      Thursday, 04-Oct-2012 23:58:21 EDT permalink
    • jacobwb (jacobwb)'s status on Friday, 05-Oct-2012 00:02:59 EDT jacobwb jacobwb
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      • bentinc
      @bentinc Haha, it'd be funny to use such a clause even if it doesn't add any additional legal protection :)
      Friday, 05-Oct-2012 00:02:59 EDT permalink
    • jacobwb (jacobwb)'s status on Friday, 05-Oct-2012 00:03:11 EDT jacobwb jacobwb
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      • bentinc
      @bentinc :)
      Friday, 05-Oct-2012 00:03:11 EDT permalink
    • zotz (zotz)'s status on Friday, 05-Oct-2012 07:58:43 EDT zotz zotz
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      • jacobwb
      It is not permissive per se. it is more a copyleft among people. Rather than a copyleft per work, it is a copyleft per person.
      Friday, 05-Oct-2012 07:58:43 EDT permalink
    • csolisr (csolisr)'s status on Friday, 05-Oct-2012 15:02:21 EDT csolisr csolisr
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      • jacobwb
      @jacobwb Let me get it straight: CC-BY-NC is too privative, but CC-BY-SA is too free for you. Why not simply cope up with corporative use?
      Friday, 05-Oct-2012 15:02:21 EDT permalink

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