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1. firusvg (firusvg)'s status on Friday, 24-Aug-2012 10:23:33 EDT firusvg

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   The !Lisp Curse http://t.co/i2h6wuRQ by @rudolfwinestock /via @CompSciFact
   • cwebber (cwebber)'s status on Friday, 24-Aug-2012 10:30:54 EDT cwebber

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     • firusvg
     I sometimes wish there was a lisp dialect that was more like python: there's a general convention and one good way to do almost everything.
   • cwebber (cwebber)'s status on Friday, 24-Aug-2012 10:31:49 EDT cwebber

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     With a solid standard library (and of course good packaging... not that python is great there presently)
   • cwebber (cwebber)'s status on Friday, 24-Aug-2012 10:34:46 EDT cwebber

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     However I will disagree with the author on "emacs has not fundamentally changed in the last 20 years"
   • cwebber (cwebber)'s status on Friday, 24-Aug-2012 10:35:27 EDT cwebber

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     Emacs hacking is going through a kind of renaissance over the last few years, I feel.
   • firusvg (firusvg)'s status on Friday, 24-Aug-2012 10:40:48 EDT firusvg

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     • cwebber
     @cwebber I'm only slightly accustomized with Python, but AFAIK, that is quite truthful remark.
   • Evan Prodromou (evan)'s status on Friday, 24-Aug-2012 10:55:18 EDT Evan Prodromou

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     http://identi.ca/url/73297577
   • barryfm (barryfm)'s status on Friday, 24-Aug-2012 10:56:12 EDT barryfm

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     • cwebber
     @cwebber What's wrong with using guile?
   • jasonriedy (jasonriedy)'s status on Friday, 24-Aug-2012 11:00:35 EDT jasonriedy

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     @barryfm @cwebber What's right with using guile? (Common Lisp has strong conventions, btw.)
   • barryfm (barryfm)'s status on Friday, 24-Aug-2012 11:11:25 EDT barryfm

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     @jasonriedy That's not really an answer. I have no problem with Common Lisp, but it does not meet @cwebber 's requirement of one good way.
   • cwebber (cwebber)'s status on Friday, 24-Aug-2012 11:19:14 EDT cwebber

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     • barryfm
     @barryfm I haven't used guile much, so I guess I can't comment heavily, but seems to be much more minimal in the "batteries included" aspect
   • cwebber (cwebber)'s status on Friday, 24-Aug-2012 11:19:33 EDT cwebber

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     I could be wrong though. Again, I don't know much about guile. I'd like to know more.
   • cwebber (cwebber)'s status on Friday, 24-Aug-2012 11:20:22 EDT cwebber

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     One heresy I really wish a lisp system had nailed down: *one* way to do OOP and (biggest heresy) dot notation.
   • cwebber (cwebber)'s status on Friday, 24-Aug-2012 11:21:22 EDT cwebber

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     I don't want (someclass-somemethod object args) or (callmethod object 'methodname args)... I want (object.method args)!
   • jasonriedy (jasonriedy)'s status on Friday, 24-Aug-2012 11:32:50 EDT jasonriedy

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     • barryfm
     @barryfm @cwebber That there's only "one good way" is a myth even in Phyton, sorry.
   • barryfm (barryfm)'s status on Friday, 24-Aug-2012 11:33:36 EDT barryfm

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     • cwebber
     @cwebber Guile has (method object args) with common lisp like generic functions, so you can do (append vbox widget)
   • jasonriedy (jasonriedy)'s status on Friday, 24-Aug-2012 11:33:41 EDT jasonriedy

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     • cwebber
     @cwebber That's the risk that comes from being the first standard. When others decide to work differently, you're stuck.
   • jasonriedy (jasonriedy)'s status on Friday, 24-Aug-2012 11:34:30 EDT jasonriedy

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     • cwebber
     @cwebber Also, binding tightly to the object isn't how CLOS works. That drives me nuts in languages that conflate packaging with dispatch.
   • cwebber (cwebber)'s status on Friday, 24-Aug-2012 11:53:42 EDT cwebber

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     • jasonriedy
     It is a myth in "full completion of that idea". But aspiring towards it leads to a cleaner infrastructure.