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If your age is in the single-digits and you are "transgender", you have the world's shittest parents.
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@sklaing The facts of the matter don't really care whether you agree or not.
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@maiyannah I'm not sure what the facts are in this case. Where's the study that conclusively proves that parents are shittier if their children identify as a non-binary gender type?
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@sklaing Look up "developmental psychology" and come back to me, we can have this discussion then. You probably won't though.
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@sklaing Piaget, Erikson, Bowlby, and Kohlberg is the usual battery. Vigostsky (sp?) and Freud are of historical interest.
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@nerthos @sklaing Was a psychologist. Am not any more. It's an important distinction. One needs to be licensed to practice, and I no longer am.
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@nerthos Of relevant interest to the topic at hand is that developmental psychology is one of the more settled fields. While there's a few competing theories that quibble about the pace and specific point of development, the general outline of human development is largely the same between these theories.
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@nerthos None of these theories are accepting that a person is fully developed and "know their gender" at the age suggested. A couple of them outright contradict this claim.
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@sklaing I do not care to spend the time refuting nonsense.
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@nerthos Erikson's stages of development is the generally-accepted model though probably a bit outmoded, if you feel like further reading. In general the gender identity of an individual would be developed and solidify in the "fidelity" phase around 13-19.
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@nerthos You'd be surprised. Developmental psychology is very interested in the development of how people develop methods to handle different social and physical situations.
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@nerthos Well, I related it back to the original topic, but developmental psychology deals with many other issues and topics as well.
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@sklaing @nerthos The world is not required to conform to your view of it. You do not live in a privileged reference frame. The sooner you realize that, the better off you will be.
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@sklaing @nerthos No, it's actually paraphrasing a quote by Carl Sagan. You established already at the onset of this conversation you had no interest in actually considering anything I may put forward, so I refuse to put forth any great effort into this discussion.
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@nerthos @sklaing https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cSrL0BXsO40
"Modern science has been a voyage into the unknown, with a lesson in humility waiting at every stop. Our common-sense intuition can be mistaken. Our preferences don't count. We do not live in a privileged reference frame."
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@sklaing @nerthos @loki If you believe this, then what purpose does your continued conversation hold?
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@sim @mangeurdenuage The world does not always conform to the way we desire things to be. Sometimes this is a social thing, and we can affect the change we wish to see. But things like biology, chemisty, the stuff of stars from which we are forged, are not so easily mutable as we want to believe. We want to salvage some feeling of importance, some feeling that …
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@sklaing @nerthos @loki One should be reminded that they're the one that entered this discussion to begin with.
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@sim I am put in mind of one of my professors in University, who I wish I could remember the name of, because this quote has persisted in my mind for the many years since I graduated:
"Maturity isn't 'finding who we are'. It is the process of removing from ourselves, what we are not."
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@sklaing @nerthos @loki I thought you were walking away from the conversation? Or did you need further self-validation of your own righteousness?
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@sklaing @loki Then stop talking, and go. Your posturing is tiresome. @nerthos
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@sim The world impoverishes itself with political and military endeavours that go nowheres, but they make us feel good. I feel that we as a people or species or whatever the proper collective noun is these days have grown to be so needful of our catharsis that we are losing our ability to skeptically question others or ourselves. We speak of "safe spaces" in enth…
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@loki @kkebreau Well, what I posted were the names of scholars to look up, not precisely links to the studies or academic works. Unfortunately, we live in a world where academic knowledge is hoarded, and we have to pay large fees to gain access to repositories of academic knowledge.
However, a good starting point is the Wikipedia article here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erikson%27s_stages_of_psychosocial_development
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@nerthos Sorry.
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@nerthos And more seriously sorry for keeping you tagged in that. Usually I'm more consciencious about tagging out people whom have not said anything in the conversation for a while.
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@nerthos It's a pet peeve of my own to end up tagged in a conversation that I haven't participated in for an appreciable amount of time so I try not to do it to others. In psychology and psychiatry, we are strongly cautioned against prescribing any drugs until the age of 12-14 because the way they are absorbed and change body chemistry can be greatly different to ho…
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@verius Understanding of Autism has increased considerably in the time between the revision of DSM IV and the newer DSM-5 (which also curiously changed from roman numerals to normal numbers, but that's neither here nor there.) As another example, before you were either autistic or not, you either had Autism or you did not, in 5, it is a spectrum disorder, with a recognition of different degrees of severity.
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@somercet When you create a class of individuals whom receive special treatment compared to other social groups, then what you create at the same time is envy and resentment of that social group.
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@nerthos Differential diagnosis of autism can actually lead to other conditions, or it can end up effectively so mild that we do not consider it a disorder because there is no significant impairment to normal functioning.
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@verius Not in the official standards manual there wasn't. But the research that was used to lead to the change in DSM-5 didn't pop up overnight.
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