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@nerthos If you outlaw something, then only criminals have them. I've always held that gun licenses should be like driving - you can prove you're not an idiot and not going to be a danger to anyone, and sure, that's fine, here have one.
But as is, we can't even manage the "proving you're not a dangerous idiot" with the driver's licenses it seems, so I dunno.
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@nerthos Carry licenses here you have to prove you have a need to carry a gun, which is a clear case where you would need to defend yourself (certain high risk jobs or people whom have a history of having been a target of violent crime) or a job that requires one (for instance if you're a hunter, or a security guard, but you need to provide your license for either). …
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@nerthos The problem with trying to legislate stuff to restrict criminals, is criminals don't follow the law to begin with, so if that's your only reason for enacting a law, then all you effectively do is curtail the rights of law-abiding citizens.
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@nerthos That seems the primary difference. While the government scrutinizes claims of neccesity for self-defense VERY CAREFULLY, I do think it is a good justification when there is a genuine danger to the person in question.
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@nerthos I'd agree. It's very difficult to get one in this sort of vein in Canada because it's an exceptional cause under our laws (as in the literal sense of "they make an exception for you if you can argue that you have a genuine need")
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@nerthos They understand, they just don't care. There's the tribal groupthink again. Gun owners are the BAD people. They associate with one or more Wrong Persons and as a result they're all bad. So you end up with things like the gunsense hashtag on twitter that essentially come down to being another crackpot authoritarian attempt at controlling people.
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@nerthos In either case it's authoritarian moralism - they just have different reasonings they use.
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@nerthos This is how the States USED to be, just after WW2, for instance. You'll note people shoot up "gun free zones" a lot of the time. It's almost like they go to the place they won't be resisted violently - the soft targets.
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@nerthos Well, this is the actual authoritarian bent to it. It's control. Whereas I'd say you're honestly pretty moderate as this goes (at least here in North America), these people will settle for nothing less than complete control. Indeed, such is their need and desire for it, that they will delight in these shootings happen, because its an opprotunity to advance their position further.
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@nerthos So much of the dysfunction in US society comes from an underlying feeling of people thinking there is not any justice for themselves out there and resorting to taking what they perceive as justice into their own hands. Look at the riots post-election for instance.
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@nerthos It comes down to the social compact in the US basically disintegrating before our own eyes. Whether they'll manage to get another one in place by some means or just descend into anarchy, who knows, though hopefully the latter.
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@nerthos @nerthos It comes down to the social compact in the US basically disintegrating before our own eyes. Whether they'll manage to get another one in place by some means or just descend into anarchy, who knows, though hopefully not the latter.
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