@takeshitakenji While the effect was the same, the problem with PHP is over-organization and a lot of foundation over-management, which ultimately lead to the language having no cohesion in early versions because everything was meddled with until the point where any usefulness or utility had since fled.  Conventions were set and strongly enforced only for the Foundation to decide on a completely new convention once everything had been ruined already.  The Foundation asked for discipline out of developers seeking inclusion when it had no such discipline itself.

I could go on for hours about this but I'd probably bore you.  I've been involved in PHP since I was a teenager, and it was only like a year or two old then.