@rw @why Sacred 1 was great if you get it with Underworld as well, since it fixed a lot of the problems with the base game.  2 was just okay but I enjoyed it better than Diablo 2 which is ironic since it was emulating D2.  We don't talk about Sacred 3, it was just a cashin by Deep Silver anyways.

Torchlight in both iterations is about as challening as getting @katiekats to say sappy things about me.  It had the Diablo III problem way before D3 ever did: by the time you ever needed to use a health potion you had so many health items you could throw a health potion keg party for every adventurer in the realm and still have enough left over to complete the game.