@ares @evan

The fash are reading your DMs. If someone gets doxxed because your so-called resistance is communicating in a Nazi space, using Nazi tools, talking in front in Nazi informants, who is going to take responsibility?

@rewarp @evan

does it have to be said not to dm, not to use your home or work ip, not to use your real phone number, not to use your real name, not to post pics of your passport, not to post pics with metadata, not to post your face, not to post your friends' faces

@ares @evan

It does. If you are going to produce content on a Nazi network. If however your interactions pull in casuals who are in it for you, then you have a responsibility to ensure they stick to never mentioning potentially identifiable information.

Twitter's tracking cookies are also all over the Internet. Simply by logging in, you are traceable.

@evan @ares I agree with fighting them. But when the “space” is defined by the people and connections and ongoing content, is it actually surrendering to simply, collectively, turn away from Elmo and his thralls? Or is it winning?

@jpanzer @evan

when fascists march in the streets, when they intimidate and kill with weapons and vehicle attacks, when police protect fascists and attack counterprotesters instead, antifascists don't walk away, we stay and fight

there's no obligation to fight, the people who remain in their homes with their doors locked and window shades drawn aren't bad people, everyone can do or not do what's right for them

but there is a role for those who stay and fight, for those who set an example, who show that we will not be silenced without a struggle, even if it seems like a lost cause, even if we don't win

@ares @jpanzer @evan

I'm gonna argue that Twitter is, after all, a business, and that a usefully effective fightback right now is a sustained effort to push it into bankruptcy.

@timbray @jpanzer @evan

sure, nuking the entire site from orbit would be a good thing

unfortunately bankruptcy doesn't accomplish that

bankruptcy lets elmo stop paying creditors while the site shambles along

meanwhile the cesspool grows into a toxic superfund site, incubating the worst of the worst

a metastasizing cancer

@ares @jpanzer @evan it is absolutely delusional to think that as a user you have any control whatsoever about what happens on Twitter. It is not a democracy. You don't have a vote. Your disapproving tweets have no effect whatsoever on actual policy decisions. Elon Musk and his band of right wing conspirators are not influenced by you in any way. At best you are a resource for them, a little statistic that they can leverage into earning advertisers' money. At worst, you're a harassment target.

@smn @ares @evan I don't think anybody believes Elon is listening to anybody but sycophants telling him how great he is, nor are users saying things anywhere going to change his mind. Any activity on Twitter itself should be strategic (e.g., getting users to leave).

And if enough users leave Twitter, it isn't a platform. In a social network, the people are the platform. Without just the Nazis on Twitter, it's just a way overpriced copy of Parler.

@jpanzer @evan @ares The idea defending space makes a lot more sense in a physical space, and not when it is activity on a website that, 1, is owned by a fascist, and 2, makes money from activity regardless of intent.

@jpanzer

Don't disagree with @evan
but
• "stop posting" and
• "stop feeding your life into the machine"
can have different meanings.
Stop “feeding your life” definitely.

Ack to @ares !
Physically I am from the “space” which caused the Shoah.
I fight the past at twit and try to create future here with y'all.

I think that ads were Jacks business model and that the one of twit is now different
https://digitalcourage.social/@sl007/109496231345854264
The investors who sue twit say he made stock manipulation say he saved $156.000.000 only by first stock manipulation.
He wants to colonize opinions.

I think it is super important that employees and journos continue to amplify all the leaks on the platform and yes, that we fight.

I am in the EU to create awareness and advise about Open Protocols and ActivityPub in the context of Digital Services Act. If twitter becomes a gatekeeper in the DSA, the new model will be destroyed suddenly. Then I can leave to not fuel the ads which _then_ would keep it alive.

@sl007 @evan @ares Yep. I think that, given the situation, anyone who is fighting needs to be very careful of what information they share not just via posts but with the site itself (this is why I left Facebook in 2019). Including but not limited to source IP address.

@ares @evan yeah, nothing like white flight… leave the people who have no better place alone to rot!

anyway, there are basically no more advertisers to monetize our tweets. the few ads there are are scammy drop shipping stuff.

if users are producing a net value still, it won’t be long til they’re a net cost.

@ares @evan stay and fight? What do you hope to achieve from behind a keyboard, beyond boosting Twitters engagement statistics, and thus attractiveness to advertisers?

Every tweet you make is another penny in Musks wallet.

@wfaler @evan

@evan
That said, I think *many* people do not have as real a need, and could indeed migrate now.